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when you think about it, Angel is a pedophile!!! Does anyone think its kinda wrong that a 250 odd year old vampire is dating and later sleeping with a 16 year old girl?? He is like 15 times her age!!
 
Umm...yeah, that's not entirely true...she wasn't 16 when they slept together...and I have no idea what the legal age in America is.

Also, I'm sure that a pedophile is actually categorised as someone who is attracted to underage people as a personal taste. Angel's not into kids or teens as a general statement...he was into Buffy.
 
As I remember it, a vampire is meant to stay the same as when the human is sired, so in theory Angel is in his mid to late twenties.
 
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ILLYRIAN said:
As I remember it, a vampire is meant to stay the same as when the human is sired, so in theory Angel is in his mid to late twenties.
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So you're saying that a 25 to 30 year old man would be a suitable boyfriend for your 16 or 17 year old daughter? No wonder Joyce never liked him! (and before you even THINK about going , yes, Spike was too old for her, too, but Joyce knew and liked him before anything "happened" between them, and she was dead by the time it did)
 
Angel was attracted to Buffy the moemnt he saw her, which we are told is the year before WTTHM, so that would put her at 14/15(depending on the time of year). If that is the case then it goes into iffy territory.
You only have to be attracted to one underage person to qualify as a paedo, however in the UK(I don't know for the states or anywhere else - for example there are parts fo spain that has the lgal age of 14) to be a paedophile means you are sexually aroused and attracted to someone(or more) UNDER 12.
Thats not saying sleeping with someone 12 - 16 is legal(especially if you are older than 18 months difference between yourself and the person underage), just that paedos are 12 and under lovers.
 
I wouldn't call him a pheodophile, I mean, they fell in love with each other. And so, he was roughly 200 years older than her, but, it would never happen in real life right? And, since I told my friend this, I guess I have to stick by it - =P - when you're in love, age is just a number, I mean, think about Anya and Xander, she's 1124 when they first sleep together, and he's 19...That's a waaay bigger age gap =P
 
white avenger said:
So you're saying that a 25 to 30 year old man would be a suitable boyfriend for your 16 or 17 year old daughter? No wonder Joyce never liked him! (and before you even THINK about going , yes, Spike was too old for her, too, but Joyce knew and liked him before anything "happened" between them, and she was dead by the time it did)
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If you're going to condemn Angel, you ahve to condemn Spike as well.

In New York, the age of consent is 17.
 
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white avenger
white avenger
As for condeming Spike, that's what I meant by, "yes, Spike was too old for her, too."
Buffy Summers said:
If you're going to condemn Angel, you ahve to condemn Spike as well.

In New York, the age of consent is 17.
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But didn't Spikes attraction only really start in season 4, when Buffy was 18?

Granted Drusilla suggests that the Slayer was already in his blood in season 2/3 but that was more a fixation because she was the Slayer, one he really was shocked by how good she was.
 
I thought the point being made was that they are two VERY old men going after a teen *shrugs*...but Buffy was 17 when Angel slept with her, so technically it was stat rape. Age of consent in California is 18.
 
Buffy Summers said:
I thought the point being made was that they are two VERY old men going after a teen *shrugs*...but Buffy was 17 when Angel slept with her, so technically it was stat rape. Age of consent in California is 18.
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I'm not even sure what the point is either, all I know is that technically, in the UK, neither would be paedophiles(though thats what they would be called) even if we take for granted that Angel had sexual desires(which are not uncommon when you are romantically in love with someone) for her from the moment he first saw her.

I do agree with Obsessed Buffy Fan that age, generally, shouldn't be an issue. OK, it's a little bit iffy with the ages we are talking aboout, but heck its definitely not a real world situation and Buffy was definitely older than she was in maturity levels because of her being 'called'.

I do also really like the point that OBF brings up about Xander and Anya. Not because its an issue, but Xander not only likes the demon ladies, he also likes the older ladies - brilliant.
 
I'm not to conversant with the strange [strange as in I don't know what they are] laws in the USA, in the countries I've lived in the age of Buffy would not have been a problem, but I digress. My point was that as in my view a 27 year old Angel wasn't a paedolfile. Should Spike be taken the same way, yes.
To my way of thinking a 25 year old man and a 17 year old girl is not a problem as white avenger seems to disagree with, it would be hypocritical of me as they are the same ages when I started dating my ex-wife.
 
I never really got the point of this argument other then people like to say 'Angel bad; Spike good' (or the opposite). I'm not threated by Spike because I happen to like Buffy more with Angel (sometimes).

I guess if you think it's creepy then that was your experience.. I thought it was sweet, and he in no way forced or led her into the relationship, he wasn't manipulative, and you don't see him going around coming onto teenagers as soon as Buffy reaches adulthood. He sleeps with her again when she's 18 (IWRY), and he still wants to be with her when she's 22 so... yeah. It's pretty obvious that the writers never intended for it to be 'creepy'... it's a fantasy show for goodness[insert swear word]sake!

Age of consent in Australia is 15, so maybe that is why I see it differently. Also I was under the impression that Angel was 18 when he was turned (re: Halloween)... I guess they never put that in concrete.
 
caitaintdead
caitaintdead
It's actually 16 in WA
HE IS NOT A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!! Buffy was 15 when he fell in love with her, at which time she was more or less physically and sexually mature. In short, she could physically give birth to children, and so being attracted to her would be natural. It's this instinct that causes people to get together and have kids, thus continuing our species.
Also, I think a pedophile is someone who is attracted to children (pre-puberty).
 
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I agree 100%.
You must remember, 200 odd years ago when Angel was sired. it was perfectly common for men to marry girls that were, like, 8 or something, so it isn't really applicable. Spike only loved her when she was 18/19, plus a super mature Slayer, so it desn't really apply to them ether.
 
To be honest, I didn't ever really think about the fact that Buffy was unmistakingly much younger than Angel; I only saw the love they had for eachother. Obviously, they had both thought about it and ultimately, the age difference was a major reason for their break-up in S3, but early on in their relationship, I don't think it mattered that much
 
i thought about it once or twice and thought, ew. but it seems by everyones reactions that what country you grow up in and the rules you are used to affects all of our views. but heck, i <3 older men (my boyfriend is 7 years older). Just not..like...200+years older lol. and yeah how old WAS angel supposed to be (as in, when he was turned).
 
Pedophile? Technically, no. Strange? Kinda. But then again... it's fiction. And as Buffy once said "strange love is better than no love at all" 🙂
 
um just so you know spike was hot for buffy as soon as he saw her or didn't you watch the bit in school hard when he was watching her dance at the bronze
 
It Ain't The Same

Buffy Summers said:
If you're going to condemn Angel, you ahve to condemn Spike as well.

In New York, the age of consent is 17.
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At the time that Angel and Buffy slept together (Season 2) she was 16. If we consider Angel to be suspended at his human age, that would make him the equivalent of 25-30 years old, or almost twice her age. For a high school sophomore, that's pushing it a little.

In Season 6, when Buffy and Spike first tore the house down, she was about 20, a young adult by anyone's standards, and Spike was the equivalent of a 25 year old man (I believe either Marsters or Whedon mentioned that age somewhere, or maybe I'm just imagining it).

Comparing the two, Spike/Buffy seems a bit more "proper" to me.

If it's of any interest, the age of consent in Georgia is 18, so, at least here, Angel was the one who bedded the jail bait.
 
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