Every episode of Angel Season 5 I hate Buffy each episode

[Joshua]

I'm a huge huge HUGE Buffy fan and every time I rewatch Angel Season 5 I hate Buffy and the Scoobies every episode they're mentioned.

Then the fact Buffy's "message" in Andrew's words in Damaged to Angel about not trusting them anymore cause they work for Wolfram & Hart um if it wasn't for Wolfram & Hart + Angel and his Crew

Buffy, Scoobies and the Potentials would have been slaughtered by the Ubervamps and the Bringers I mean my God

 

[ladydorotea]

if it wasn't for Wolfram & Hart + Angel and his Crew

Buffy, Scoobies and the Potentials would have been slaughtered by the Ubervamps and the Bringers I mean my God

You mean the medallion ? Yeah, that's a pretty bad combination of awkward moves on the writers part. I always retcon it to myself as Andrew's 'personal initiative' though.

One good about S8 comics btw is that they at the very least completely retconned the Buffy in Rome with Immortal part.

 

[itssmiletime]

Don't get me started on this. Really.

In Shells, I hated, hated, hated, Giles. He's borderline evil. No wait. He is evil. Oh just coz of the company you worked for, I'm not going to help one of the kindest, loveliest woman alive who is a freakin' innocent when it comes to Giles. And just coz he works for W&H, doesn't make him evil. Angel pretty much gave Buffy the amulet, that saved your asses.

In Damage, oh boy, where do I start. Angel and Spike clean up Dana's massacre. And at the end, the 'slayers' take Dana away, saying that Buffy doesn't trust them, and pretty much made them feel like shit. You have no right to judge people on their morality whilst you take a girl away who killed many people due to a spell that Willow and Buffy casted. Urgh.

 

[Xin Rong]

I agree but I think it was a necessarily evil for the plot, otherwise it would have made no sense that Buffy characters didn't turn up in Angel, I mean there whole town just got destroyed, they have nowhere to go and their only friend outside of Sunnydale lives relatively nearby in LA, also owns a hotel with the capability of housing everyone, but for some reason they just drive past and head to Scotland? Never made sense to me, so I'm putting it down to the unavailability of Buffy's cast, rather than sloppy writing... although I suppose an argument could be made for both coexisting.

 

[Kean]

Season 8 makes it clear that Buffy had no idea about any of this stuff, much less giving Andrew messages to pass on to Angel and the gang. Buffy had nothing to do with any of it so I have no ill will towards her, Giles on the other hand...

 

[white avenger]

Then the fact Buffy's "message" in Andrew's words in Damaged to Angel about not trusting them anymore cause they work for Wolfram & Hart um if it wasn't for Wolfram & Hart + Angel and his Crew

That whole "Buffy doesn't trust you anymore, Angel," speech screamed more of Giles or Xander that it did Buffy, and, remember, Andrew was working for Giles at that time, not Buffy. Also recall that that same Andrew was the one who told Angel and Spike in "The Girl In Question" that Buffy had moved on and was dating the Immortal, which was established in the first issue of Dark Horse's Season 8 to be a hoax dreamed up by Giles and Andrew without Buffy's approval, input, or even knowledge until after the fact.

I think that it's safe to say that nothing in "Damaged" actually reflected Buffy's feelings for Angel or any of his friends, but were, actually, Giles' attempt to keep "his little girl" from having contact with Angel or Spike.

 

[Buffyverse Fan]

Don't get me started on this. Really.

In Shells, I hated, hated, hated, Giles. He's borderline evil. No wait. He is evil. Oh just coz of the company you worked for, I'm not going to help one of the kindest, loveliest woman alive who is a freakin' innocent when it comes to Giles. And just coz he works for W&H, doesn't make him evil. Angel pretty much gave Buffy the amulet, that saved your asses.

I agree with this. I hope this specific situation is addressed in Buffy Season Ten. Yes, I know Joss originally wrote this as Giles meeting Angel & Spike, and filling the role of Drogyn telling them the price would be too high to save her. And it had to be changed because of cost & availability.

But they have the perfect opportunity now to come up with a proper explanation for Giles sentencing a champion to death.

In Damage, oh boy, where do I start. Angel and Spike clean up Dana's massacre. And at the end, the 'slayers' take Dana away, saying that Buffy doesn't trust them, and pretty much made them feel like shit. You have no right to judge people on their morality whilst you take a girl away who killed many people due to a spell that Willow and Buffy casted. Urgh.

Kean answered this below. We know in TGIQ, Andrew was just blatantly lying to them, he even hired an imposter to pose as Buffy at the time. At most, Xander & Giles were giving Andrew the orders, but likely, Andrew took all of those Angel-related operations upon himself.

That said, Andrew was right to do it. Angel turned dark a few months after the end of AS5.

Season 8 makes it clear that Buffy had no idea about any of this stuff, much less giving Andrew messages to pass on to Angel and the gang. Buffy had nothing to do with any of it so I have no ill will towards her, Giles on the other hand...

Yes!

 

[Xin Rong]

I agree with this. I hope this specific situation is addressed in Buffy Season Ten. Yes, I know Joss originally wrote this as Giles meeting Angel & Spike, and filling the role of Drogyn telling them the price would be too high to save her. And it had to be changed because of cost & availability.

But they have the perfect opportunity now to come up with a proper explanation for Giles sentencing a champion to death.

To be fair to Giles, he had no idea who Fred was, and may have had some knowledge about the situation with Illyria, so knew the cost of saving her, but I still think he can be criticised for not sharing that info or for not offering any guidance, or even listening to what the situation was, it seemed angel and gile's convo was very short.