Spoiler! Extremely spoilery: Buffy #34 Soliciations.

[Buffyverse Fan]

Anyone seen this yet?

It's a statement from Bill Willingham (writer on Angel series) in response to Scott Allie's statement regarding his interview, which included the comment as you all know:



Hmm. It seems as though Bill disagrees:



...Wow.

This just threw my entire world upside down and completely crushed what little hope I had.

Is he saying that which I think he is saying? That he has and has never had any contact with Whedon and Co. regarding the continuity between the two series? Should we still consider ATF as canon? I am so confused.

Does this mean that Angel is indeed...really evil? THat what he's been doing in L.A...is not canon?

Someone please help me. I am confused.

The Buffy/Angel Continuity Conundrum - Comic Book Resources

Joan, let me put your mind at ease... a little.

Bill Willingham, from our point of view (the consumers) has only been running the Angel series for about four weeks.

After the Fall is unquestionably canon. The most basic mapping began with Whedon, Bell and Fury back when Angel was still on the WB.

Later, Whedon sat down with Brian Lynch and wrote down the basic plot of the entire story. Lynch then handled the details and churned out After the Fall for Whedon and IDW.

Issue #23 was the last comic that spawned from Whedon's outline. From August 2009-January 2010, IDW has been completely off of Whedon's notes (also, earlier, during Armstrong's Aftermath, that too had no involvement from Whedon).

Willingham printed his first issue, The Crown Prince Syndrome, a few weeks ago. He has at least two more upcoming. That is what was referred to here.

In short:
After the Fall - Joss' work, penned by Brian Lynch, Joss' collaborator. CANON

Aftermath - 100% Armstrong & IDW, no Whedon

The Crown Prince Syndrome - 100% Willingham & IDW, no Whedon

Note: As IDW's representative, Chris Ryall has technically overseen both the canon and non-canon titles.

---------- Post added at 06:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:43 PM ----------

Willingham confirmed what we had already suspected that Joss has had no involvement with IDW post ATF.

Willingham didn't even accomplish that much, as Kelley Armstrong already confirmed that Joss had no involvement with any of the IDW arcs that Brian Lynch wasn't involved with.

 

[Kean]

Joan, let me put your mind at ease... a little.

Bill Willingham, from our point of view (the consumers) has only been running the Angel series for about four weeks.

After the Fall is unquestionably canon. The most basic mapping began with Whedon, Bell and Fury back when Angel was still on the WB.

Later, Whedon sat down with Brian Lynch and wrote down the basic plot of the entire story. Lynch then handled the details and churned out After the Fall for Whedon and IDW.

Issue #23 was the last comic that spawned from Whedon's outline. From August 2009-January 2010, IDW has been completely off of Whedon's notes (also, earlier, during Armstrong's Aftermath, that too had no involvement from Whedon).

Willingham printed his first issue, The Crown Prince Syndrome, a few weeks ago. He has at least two more upcoming. That is what was referred to here.

In short:
After the Fall - Joss' work, penned by Brian Lynch, Joss' collaborator. CANON

Aftermath - 100% Armstrong & IDW, no Whedon

The Crown Prince Syndrome - 100% Willingham & IDW, no Whedon

Note: As IDW's representative, Chris Ryall has technically overseen both the canon and non-canon titles.

---------- Post added at 06:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:43 PM ----------



Willingham didn't even accomplish that much, as Kelley Armstrong already confirmed that Joss had no involvement with any of the IDW arcs that Brian Lynch wasn't involved with.

True but Armstrong's confirmation was a whisper, Willingham sent out the frickin' Bat Signal!

 

[white avenger]

This whole mess reminds me of the Chinese proverb about living in interesting times. Things here are getting more and more interesting by the hour.

 

[missbrunettgirl]

In regards to Giles being a mole:

I was going back through the comics and after Faith and Giles take out the warlock and evil slayer Giles gets the spell book with the twilight symbol on it and is seen talking to a demon who works for Twilight. Then Twilight is giving this speech about turning watcher against warlock and slayer against slayer. So Twilight wanted Giles involved to a certain extent and now Giles and Faith are helping and killing slayers and what not. My question is what did Giles do with that book? Angle must have wanted him to have it for some reason and Giles is smart did he figure out the connection?

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Breath Joan, breath!

Bill Willingham is writing the current arc of Angel over at IDW. He reacted to the whole Twilightgate last night with that post, personally I find it a kneejerk reaction.

As it stands the only official canon of Angel we know for definite is ATF (Issues 1-16). Willingham confirmed what we had already suspected that Joss has had no involvement with IDW post ATF.

That in no way contradicts what Allie said. S8 won't mess with anything that IDW have done with Angel, canonical or not.

We have been given no definite time period of S8. While Joss said something like a year and half there has nothing in the comics nor from the creative team behind that has said it is definitely a year and a half after Chosen. So there is alot of scope for the allowance of time between Angel on IDW and S8.

None of this in anyway insinuates that Present!Angel is evil.

OK...cool. Thanks for the clarification. I don't read ATF or the continuation, so I was confused. Glad to know that 1-16 are canon. I guess I should read those.

Can I buy ATF in one compiled volume?

 

[Krj2501]

Well, she's dreamed about him at least 3 times in this season... two of the dreams were sexual, and in the other she asked him for advice. Doesn't sound like she hates or distrusts him much.

Funny I don't recall Buffy dreaming about Angel 3 times this season. Just twice.

The 1st was in her dreamscape (Long Way Home pt.3)- in a threesome with Spike. The second one was in "After these Messages ... We'll be Right Back" Issue 20.

Although I agree that it definitely doesn't seem like Buffy mistrusts Angel. But then it may be that it's Angel that mistrusts Buffy - not the other way around.

 

[AndrewCrossett]

Funny I don't recall Buffy dreaming about Angel 3 times this season. Just twice.

The 1st was in her dreamscape (Long Way Home pt.3)- in a threesome with Spike. The second one was in "After these Messages ... We'll be Right Back" Issue 20.

Third time was the "Always Darkest" webcomic.

 

[Tranquillity]

here's a link, if you're interested:

eComics :: Dark Horse Comics

That link is not cooperating for me, so if it doesn't work, try this one:

"Buffy : Always Darkest" Web Comic - Medium Quality Pages

and scroll down to the bottom.

 

[Kean]

I'm only just realising that the room that Buffy sees Angel and Spike seems to be the same room form "Anywhere But Here" where Robin told her she would suffer a betrayal. It so easy to see all the foreshadowing when you know what it foreshadows lol