First baby born in UK to woman with transplanted womb
Womb transplants, are they a new kind of surrogacy?
Womb transplants, are they a new kind of surrogacy?
Feminism and Surrogacy
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NotASlayer
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Well, that is something!
I don't think you could really call it surrogacy though; the woman who gets the transplant still has to go through all thejoys pain of childbirth herself.
I don't think you could really call it surrogacy though; the woman who gets the transplant still has to go through all the
True, but more if unable to concieve naturally, could a woman be persuaded to donate her womb, or as we know with kidneys, made to donate it.
NotASlayer
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Oh undoubtedly, doesn't mean that people won't do it illegally if desperate enough.
I'm not sure how I feel about it being donated after death either, if you lived your life child free on purpose then had your uterus donated for a child?
NotASlayer
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I would really hope that you would have the right to choose which parts of your body are donated after death. But I suspect that is going to get harder and harder to do for all organs, given the huge demand for them.
Illegal donations would be concerning; that is quite a chunk to have carved out of the body.
Plasma
This post is so cyberpunk-meets-reality that it’s genuinely frightening.
DeepBlueJoy
Lion Faced Kitteh
I suspect laproscopic ovary removal is quite doable - and if a brain dead body is being harvested for other things; full removal of reproductive organs would not be that complex by comparison to other organs.
Live donation of eggs is already almost routine. Though later those women may find they dont have enough viable eggs for themselves.
Of course, more and more women are harvesting their own eggs for future need when they will be functionally infertile. (The window of peak fertility is small). Wish it had been an option when i still could have done it.
One thing to consider - donation of viable eggs or ovaries is only practical from younger donors.
Interesting info:
journalofethics.ama-assn.org
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Live donation of eggs is already almost routine. Though later those women may find they dont have enough viable eggs for themselves.
Of course, more and more women are harvesting their own eggs for future need when they will be functionally infertile. (The window of peak fertility is small). Wish it had been an option when i still could have done it.
One thing to consider - donation of viable eggs or ovaries is only practical from younger donors.
Interesting info:
Reproductive Tissue Transplants Defy Legal and Ethical Categorization
While other organ transplants affect only the health of the recipient, reproductive tissue transplants affect the offspring of the recipient, as well as the donor and donor’s family because of their genetic relationship to the recipient’s offspring.
Ethical Implications of Donor Type for Uterus Transplantation: Why We Should Remain Wary of Using Living Donors - PMC
Over the last few years, research teams have made significant advancements in treating absolute uterine factor infertility through uterus transplantation, culminating in the birth of the first US baby born from a uterus transplant in November 2017. ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Stake fodder
What about my me?
It may only be a factor in the US, but I doubt insurance companies would cover the tremendous costs of a living-donor transplant, especially as they'd have to pay for operations for both donor and recipient. They do it for kidneys because you will die without a functioning one; you won't without a functioning womb. (See below!😁) I read this was an issue with transplanted arms, that it was considered not worth the costs and risks, because you can live with a missing arm.
Yeah, I'm probably safe, being perimenopausal!
NotASlayer
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In the UK, this would be, in most cases (you can have private healthcare too), up to the NHS, and I suspect that a living donor would still not be considered.
Yeah, that's a really good question.
They've done live womb doners here, mother donated to daughter I think? Was a few years ago. Pretty sure there are full blown trials happening now with dead doners. Freaky to think about. Glad I took myself off the organ donation registry.
I think it's been done for a few years around the world, but only just made news here because of this live donor birth.
HowiMetdaSlayer
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I do not them in my womb
I do not want them in my room
I do not want them up in there
I do not want them anywhere
I do not like young kids and such
I do not like them really all that much
I do not want them in my room
I do not want them up in there
I do not want them anywhere
I do not like young kids and such
I do not like them really all that much
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NotASlayer
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Stake fodder
What about my me?
Is it only the uterus that is donated, or ovaries too? A uterus would not bother me, but using your ovaries would mean, yeah, it's biologically your child, and that definitely should not be allowed without donor knowledge and permission.
I've considered changing my organ donor status in a few years to donating my body to science, because I don't think anyone will want my aged parts.
Very interesting book that partly covers what happens to organ donors and bodies donated to science, ”Stiff: the curious lives of human cadavers” by Mary Roach. Not for the squeamish.
I can’t speak to this specific instance, but hypothetically I would say they would. We have documentation like DNRs and other similar stipulations for religious beliefs. I believe that even now, at least here in the US, being an organ donor is opt-in.
As to the second point, I don’t think illegal donations would be all that prevalent. They’d exist, sure, but it’s harder to sell something specific to one sex and one ideology than it is like a kidney or similar organs. Plus there’s the issue of what buyer would go to the black market to get a womb. It seems bizarre to turn to criminality in order to have children, when it’d arguably be cheaper and safer to just adopt.
NotASlayer
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I read a lot of Golden Age SF as a kid, and later stuff by the same authors (including some that, as an adult, I realise was rather less than suitable for a kid, let alone a pre-teen! Yes, I am looking at you, late stage Heinlein) and Larry Niven in particular had this whole thing that pervaded a lot of his work related to organlegging and reuse. Organs were proven to be so valuable that people's rights over them were eroded, and punishments for crimes became more and more brutal so that the organs could be sold (in one short story, someone was sentenced to death and dismantling for running three red lights). Essentially, opt-in was not an option. Your organs would be harvested, and they had become so valuable that people would be killed and sold for parts. Something that I think may be already happening in some places.
Regarding adoption, some people just will not adopt. They want a child that is theirs, nothing else. Though you can easily argue that, with an implanted womb, any child isn't really theirs.
If its only the uterus and not ovaries then biologically it's their child, which is why people prefer surrogacy to adoption.
In regards to organ donation it's opt out here, rather than opt in, and I think as more donors are needed for all types of organs more countries will switch to the unless you specifically say no, we will take your organs approach.
NotASlayer
Yes; I definitely see opting out becoming less and less easy. There is just too much demand for organs.
DeepBlueJoy
Lion Faced Kitteh
Not sure why i would care about donating a womb to someone desperate. Why not give someone a chance to carry a baby?
The womb is quite differerent from eggs - there are women with scarred fallopian tubes or wombs that are compromised (in accidents for example) who still have eggs.
I would be a lot less uncomfortable about donating my womb than my ovaries or eggs - which is my genetic material - similar to donating sperm - you become a biological parent. Men are finding out their "children" want to know them!
The womb doesnt automatically convey genetic material - especially if a mother donates to an adult daughter - it is likely the older donor is already out of eggs.
Many women are already donating (or selling) eggs. That is more ethically an issue than a womb i cant use. I an organ donor.
i dont care which tissue they use once I am dead.
Unlike actual surrogacy, my donation isnt potentially coercive because i am dead. As for live donation, i suspect this is only likely from a relative who has already given birth. I would give my child a chance to be a mum.
I would not be surprised if having given birth might not be a part of the criteria for womb donation. Does anyone know?
November
My beliefs are different to yours. No one is getting any of my organs, that's why I care.
NHS Grampian calls for more egg donors as demand increases
Appealing for women to donate eggs, just feels wrong to me. Kinda feels like there's no care for the women involved, no checks about her health and reasons.
Appealing for women to donate eggs, just feels wrong to me. Kinda feels like there's no care for the women involved, no checks about her health and reasons.