"Five by Five--Sanctuary"

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I just watched these two episodes to catch up on the Faith story and can I just say I am absolutely enthralled by the Faith storyline and how it crosses over from BtVS to AtS.

I am however not too pleased on how Buffy reacted to seeing Angel with Faith after the whatever-it-was attacked. This is a prime example of jumping to conclusions.

...not too sure on the creepy law firm and what their deal is, but I guess I'll figure it out.
::mmm::
 
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Xin Rong
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There is thread on Buffy's behaviour in sanctuary here but i'm glad you enjoyed watching the ep. One of my fav scenes was Faith crying in the rain while Angel holds her.You will figure out W&H it will play out in the series.
 
The scene where Faith cries in Angels arms and she's screaming "I'm bad!!" always makes me teary.

I do stand by Buffy in this episode though. I probably would have reacted exactly the same way and I think her reaction was justified.
 
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I really do feel sorry for Faith in these episodes and even though I understand why Buffy acted the way she did, it still annoyed me. I like how Faith goes to the police in the end. I think her character is brilliant.
 
I love faith in these episodes, it shows more of a depth to her, and shows how much she knew she screwed up, and I don't really agree on how Buffy acted cuz 1. it was no of her business, and 2. If she knew Angel so well she wouldn't have jumped to that conclusion.
 
I loved these episodes! I think they were my favourites of season one. It was great to see Faith's conscience shining through. It showed that she was actually human, and wasn't just simply a villain. She is such a deep and complex character. This crossover was pure genius!
 
i felt sorry for Faith, but buffys reaction was understandable.. she went to LA to check if angel was all right and she saw faith in angels arms. I guess i should probably have the same reaction.
 
I would have kicked her ass, if i were Buffy. I mean, I understand both sides of the story, so I feel bad for Faith too, but I would be so mad if I were Buffy.
 
I feel bad for faith..but yet it was not angel's place to really fight about it..I think he was a hypocrite about the whole issue..he refused to forgive wesley for a while, and had lorn kill linsday..for all we know could have changed..thats what really upset me.
 
I feel bad for faith..but yet it was not angel's place to really fight about it..I think he was a hypocrite about the whole issue..
How so?
Faith was in need, he understood her, why she was acting like that and what she needed.

he refused to forgive wesley for a while,
And your point is...infact you completely lose your own point when you use the words 'for a while'.
Wesley didn't just do something bad, he betrayed the trust of the few people he really shouldn't have which resulted in Angel losing the one thing he never dreamed he'd have.
That takes time to forgive, infact he doesn't truly forgive him until season 5, but the point is he does allow him back into the fold, he does forgive him so your point is moot because he doesn't hold that grudge forever.


and had lorn kill linsday..for all we know could have changed..thats what really upset me.

Lindsay had proven himself many times before. Angel helped him escape, he always came back. Also lets not forget that Angel's plan included Lindsay getting the power he wanted, be it by telling the SP's that he was forced to helping Angel or by taking over anyway....Lindsay helped in the final fight but be under no illusion, he hadn't turned into a good guy, he was still an opportunist bad guy who saw his best best would be to help Angel....had someone offered him a 'better deal' then you can bet the farm he'd have taken it.


Faith had been corrupted however, she had shown Angel a year before her willingness to change, but circumstances caused her to flee.
 
No need to be rude about it. Faith killed someone, Faith tried to kill buffy, Faith tortured Wes..yeah she needed help but I do not understand how you can justify her actions. Murder, and kidnapping are two VERY different things. I understood what Angel did, but if you want to be technical about it, what gave him the right to choose who deserved to be saved and who didn't..
 
Hey there! calm down Al was just saying. Angel himself said that we don't get to pick and choose who we save and who we don't. He saw an opening for Faith to turn around and she did, with his encouragement. He also said that the world may not be ready to accept her for what she did.I am no way justifying what Faith did, she took the punishment that she deserved, she gave herself up did her time, it wasn't about Faith being pardonded it was about her realising what she'd become and turning around even if it meant facing up what she did.That was what Angel was trying to do, Buffy stood in the way by wanting vengeance, granted i can't blame her, but at the end of the day it wasn't her place to sit on her "throne" and judge wether Faith was worth redeeming or not.
 
No need to be rude about it. Faith killed someone, Faith tried to kill buffy, Faith tortured Wes..yeah she needed help but I do not understand how you can justify her actions. Murder, and kidnapping are two VERY different things. I understood what Angel did, but if you want to be technical about it, what gave him the right to choose who deserved to be saved and who didn't..

Woah there, I wasn't being rude, trust me if I was, that comment would have been ALOT different.
What I presented was the facts of the show, and at no poiint do I justify what Faith did, I justify Angels response.

Faith Killed someone, Faith Tortured Wes, that's evident, but what you see at the end of that run is genuine remorse.
She is so guilt ridden that she wants Angel to kill her and as she knows Angel, she realizes that the only way to get him into that state is attack the people he cares about.
This doesn't work as we see when he is fighting her, she breaks down.

EVERYONE should be given a chance IF they show willingness to change.
Wesley was given that chance and forgiveness eventually because Angel understood his reasons. It would have been totally out of the realms of human behaviour if Angel forgave Wes any quicker then he did.

Lindsay, he never changed. He had enough opportunities to change granted him by Angel, but there really was no good in that boy, all there was was a lust for power.
It bugs me that people say Angel should have given him a chance....he did.
TWICE and both times he turned back into that power hungry bad guy.

When Faith asked for Help, she took it and so far she has stuck to it.
 
Am I the only one that doesn't understand Buffy's reaction? *She* broke up with Angel, and she has a *new* boyfriend of her own...so why does she run back to LA and then have the nerve to get jealous when she finds Angel with Faith?!

Also, I find her behaviour towards Angel *atrocious.* She basically told him that she didn't trust him and had never trusted him. I want to beat her up for that (but that's because of similar circumstances happening to good people in my life). I'm completely *appalled* that she did that to him. I found it incredibly childish...though, when you take into account the ways Buffy acts on her show, it really shouldn't surprise me so much.

Edit : I do love the quote "Help is when you yell 'Help!' in a really loud voice," but I sincerly hate the fact that she doesn't understand and doesn't try to understand what Faith is going through...although, it's understandable, since she's still too close to the situation and it's been too soon since Faith turned on her.
 
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I feel in a similar way but it was Angel who broke up with her actualy.
I love this episode... the story of Faith was just a kick. I loved the interaction with her and Buffy in Sanctuary. The whole thing was just wicked.

Faith
 
Eliza Dushku showing up was the best thing that happened to season one. The first season was, by far, the weakest.
 
Just no wrewatching these eps on DVD, I can't say that I approve of how Buffy acted at the end of Sanctuary. With her telling Angel how great her life was with riley, I think it was just a way to get back at him for being there for Faith. Buffy's character is a whole lot b*tchier in this show really. She has that holier than thou attitude, and a lot of hipocrosy. Example: she told Angel not to come to Sunnydale to try and protect her in IWRY, but she says she did the same in this eppy. What had changed that made it okay for her to do but not him?

Also the trust statement had me thrown. Didn't she trust him not to drain her when Faith poisoned him? Didn't she trust him to help her without turning evil again? Didn't she trust him enough to love him completely(and have sex with him?)?

Childish.

When I had first seen these episode I was a little surprised that Buffy had come looking for Faith, being that she looked so calm at the end of Who Are You. . . But then again one would expect her to come looking for vengance(which would not make her any better than Faith really) and Buffy also was making any attempt Angel had made to get Faith to apologize. . .

*Faith: "Buffy... (Buffy whips around to face her) I'm sor..."
Buffy: "Apologize to me and I will beat you to death." *


Cuz there are worse things Faith couldve done than stealing her body(which I don't think Faith thought wouldve happened) and sleeping with Riley. She couldve killed someone else.

I just hate people always making Faith out to be the bad guy in these eps(which is what a lot of my friends have done) but instead I think that Buffy would be the opposing force in this particular ep.

Faith murdered someone, and tortured Wes, but realy? There wasn't one episode where you didn't she her really torn up, and that it wasn't evident that she was still suffering the cosequences. Faith asked for help, and Angel was willing to give her that. I don't understand why Buffy wouldn't want to help someone who wants to be helped. And who shows all evidence that she could be helped, given the right person helping her. And the only person Faith trusted enough to help her was the only person who had gone through anything similar to hers, which is Angel.

Maybe I'm crazy. . .
 
I gotta say that I truly hate Buffy whenever I saw her on Angel. I mean, how annoying, whiny, and bitchy can one superheroine be? I was always hoping Angel would smack the sh*t out of her and send her on her way.
 
Why are we surprised that Buffy was being a bitch to Angel in Sanctuary? She was a 19 year old girl who had walked in on her old boyfriend hugging a girl who had just stolen her body, nearly getting her killed in the process and then slept with her new guy.

That would bring out the bitch in anyone, superhero or not.
 
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fair comment but BUffy didn't know when to stop and let Angel help Faith to redeem herself
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