Fool For Love: How Much Did Spike Tell Buffy?

[dj651]

During Fool For Love, Spike tells Buffy about how he became a vampire. My question is just how much did he tell her? Did he tell her about Cecily brutally rejecting him, and if so, how specific was he? Do you think he told Buffy she used the words "You're beneath me"? Was the connection between that and when Buffy uses the same phrase at the end of the episode intentional on Buffy's part or just a cruel coincidence?

 

[sk]

I think Buffy's use of "You're beneath me" was a cruel coincidence.

Can't see that Spike would tell Buffy about Cecily and what kind of person he was before he got turned.
Not at this point in their relationship anyway. That was for us, the audience, to see only.

/SK

 

[Astral]

I don't think he would have went into too much detail about his former hardships. He was in a way trying to impress her and also maybe put fear into her, not make her pity him. I like to think the "You're beneath me" is just cruel coincidence as it hits much harder.

 

[Skytteflickan88]

I don't think he told everything. Then the mood at the Bronze would be different between the characters. More uncomfortable, and Buffy might show some pity, instead of just anger and disgust. I also don't think Spike would have dared to tell Buffy, since they weren't very friendly. I'm not sure if he would dare to tell her soemtning to intimate even today, in season 9. Definitly not in season 5.

But I do think that Spike, as mentioned above, meant to impress her, but also for her to get to know him. And also, to make sure that she still knew he was a bad bad man. I think those three motives, to impress, scare and make them more familiar with each other, fought for attention.

I also think it was a coincidence, that she said he was beneath her, because as I said, if he had told more, the mood would have been different.

 

[TheAnnointedOne]

Yer I don't think so either. He does say at the Bronze , 'What can I tell you baby? I've always been bad' so he's putting on a front for Buffy at that time. It's cuts straight to his past as William to show us, the audience, just how far from that he was!

I absolutely LOVE this episode!

 

[Taake]

I think Buffy's use of "You're beneath me" was a cruel coincidence.

Can't see that Spike would tell Buffy about Cecily and what kind of person he was before he got turned.
Not at this point in their relationship anyway. That was for us, the audience, to see only.

/SK

I think so too... I just think that would have been too painful for Spike to share, some things cut us deep to the bone and I think it was obvious that Spike was still hurting over that moment.

Also, if he had told Buffy about it - she would have been very cruel to throw it in his face half an hour or so later. Now she was coincidentally cruel, but had she know about it, it just would have seemed very cold.

 

[Xin Rong]

I think buffy knew it all... if we knew then I'd assume she knew, in this particular instance.

 

[white avenger]

I think that Spike was telling Buffy one story,sort of like Andrew's exaggerations in Season 7, but, unlike Andrew, we didn't already know Spike's true past, so the flashbacks were there for the audience to tell the real story in conjunction with his fantasy.

 

[Gum Gnome33]

Honestly, this is how I always thought of it, (and this is coming from a major Spuffy fan, mind you!)

I assumed that Spike told Buffy that on the night he was turned he was rejected by a woman he loved, named Cecily. I do agree that there were no details given as to the state he was in or the fact that he was considered a "loser." But I've always been positive, (I mean it never occurred to me as otherwise), that he told her that Cecily used the phrase "you're beneath me." I don't know why I assumed that; I guess I really did believe that when Buffy used it she was being utterly cruel, intentionally. Or that she absolutely wanted to remind him that he would never have any more of a chance with her than he did with Cecily. Certainly by that point in the night after he'd told her how he'd killed those two slayers, I would understand perfectly well if that was her intention.

But I don't have any strong convictions either way. That's just how I always saw it.

 

[Cast No Shadow]

If you watch the commentary, (I can't remember who narrates it 🙁 )
He says that it's funny, because despite everything Spike has done to build himself up from William, with the terrible poetry, he changed his accent, his outfit, his hair...

and yet he's still the same guy who was rejected in the parlour. It's the exact same situation.