Getting to Know You

Do you believe in (any) God?
No.

Do you practice a religion?
No.

Do you believe in Heaven?
No. I hate the idea of immortality, and I hate the illogical nature of assuming that something non-corporeal living inside you has non-physical properties in a separate dimension of idyllic peace.

Hell?
No.

Are you anti or pro abortion?
Pro.

Death Penalty?
Against.

Right to Die?
For.
Animals Rights?
For.

Which system in our United States do you think needs the MOST overhaul?
Political System
Justice System
Educational System
Health Care System
Financial System
Tax System

I'm not from the United States, but all of them. Especially Health Care, I believe in Universal Health Care. I'm ultimately a Socialist, and Universal Health Care paves the way.
 
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Buffanator
You're PRO abortion but AGAINST the death penalty. Can you expand, please? ~thanks
Do you believe in (any) God?

Yes. As much as I believe in the sun.

Do you practice a religion?

I consider myself more "spiritual". When people say "religious" I think of people who just go through the motions (going to church and stuff) yet not really being connected with anything. I don't go to an official church, I just read as much as I can and decide what sounds right...I don't think I should blindly follow some man behind a pulpit.

Do you believe in Heaven?

Yes, but not in the way other Christians believe in it.

Hell?

See above.

Are you anti or pro abortion?

Generally I'm anti-abortion, but I think it mostly depends on the situation. If the mother is in danger of dying for some reason, or if the pregnancy is due to incest/rape...otherwise, no.

Death Penalty?

Yes but I think it should be used sparingly and only in extreme cases.

Right to Die?

Yes, I think if someone is sick and suffering, and they want to die, the humane thing is to help them, not extend their suffering.

Animals Rights?

I don't believe in needless animal abuse, but if you're going to eat them, why shouldn't they be hunted? It's a food source. And I don't think it's wrong to use them scientifically...or at least rats.
 
In order:

1. Believe in God? I believe there is some spiritual force at work...but having never seen God myself,I'd have to take a pass.

2. Practice a religion? I was raised Catholic,but don't go to church all that much. However,I try to live my life through its tenets as best as I can.

3. Believe in heaven or hell? Again,having not seen it myself,I'll take a pass. (Penn Jillette,however,had a great line on this during an episode of Penn & Teller: Bull****!: "I sure hope hell is bull**** too,'cause if not,we are going there for this one."

4. I'm pro-choice. Let the mom figure out what to do with her kid. After all,SHE's the one carrying it for 9 months-all the guy does is provide the...well,you know. And,BTW,if guys could get pregnant,we wouldn't be asking this question-now,would we? 😉 (Sorry,I have to call BS on how the question was phrased. I don't know of one person who salivates at the prospect of more abortions. I'd love to see less of them performed,but that takes accurate sex education and being honest about sex. Sadly,we have neither in this country-and it's probably due to how this country came into existence.)

5. Anti-death penalty EXCEPT for the most egregious of crimes.(No,child rape-though heinous-does not qualify.)

6. Right to die? Yes,provided it follows the law-as it does in Oregon.

7. If you mean "do I want animals to be treated humanely?",then yes,I am for animal rights.(Back again to Penn Jillette...this time from the PETA episode of Bull****! :"The PETA you don't know would outlaw fishing,circuses,dog shows,horseback riding and zoos. They even oppose service animals like eye-dogs for the blind. ****ing blind bastards torturing those dogs! In PETA,there's no room for Kentucky Fried Chicken or the Kentucky Derby. See you,Shamu! And forget about smearing honey all over your **** buddy,because even bees are persecuted by the man. And pets are forbidden in PETA's world,too. That's right! No pets! Hey,all you pet lovers who donate to PETA,feel like a sucker yet?" Naturally,you can guess what I had to bleep out...)

8. Let me answer that with a question: What system in this country DOESN'T need the most help? If pressed,I'd have to say the political system. When only people who can raised ungodly amounts of jack can run for any sort of office...and say just about anything to get you to vote for them....well,there's your problem right there!
 
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Buffanator
#4 - in another post, I did say I should have worded it better - *oopsey* to me!
In order:

4. I'm pro-choice. Let the mom figure out what to do with her kid. After all,SHE's the one carrying it for 9 months-all the guy does is provide the...well,you know. And,BTW,if guys could get pregnant,we wouldn't be asking this question-now,would we? 😉 (Sorry,I have to call BS on how the question was phrased. I don't know of one person who salivates at the prospect of more abortions. I'd love to see less of them performed,but that takes accurate sex education and being honest about sex. Sadly,we have neither in this country-and it's probably due to how this country came into existence.)

So, you think that a father and a child should have their rights to parenthood and life stripped because a woman has to carry the baby for 9 months? That's more than a little unfair, no? Is a baby's life worth less than 9 month's hardship? If a baby has been born, and the mother doesn't want it cause she has to look after it, should she be allowed to kill it? What exactly is the difference there? I can understand, if not agree with arguments regarding certain extreme circumstances, but I have to call BS on how your reply was phrased.

Edit: I agree with your point on Sex Education though.
 
Time for some SRS BZNZZ, yo.

Do you believe in (any) God?
I think this question, in and of itself, it's a complicated one. I want to say yes to this, but I feel like the term 'God' is rife with Christian connotations, and I am by no means Christian.

Do you practice a religion?
I do. I'm Pagan, more specifically solitary Wiccan.

Do you believe in Heaven?
No. I believe in reincarnation.

Hell?
No. The idea of heaven and hell is kind of absurd to me, mainly because I believe in the Threefold Law and karma and all that jazz. That we spend our whole lives working towards some great reward or the idea that we'll burn eternally for indiscretions seems kind of like a cop-out to me. It makes more sense to me to have our actions, be they good or bad, given the appropriate consequence or reward in this life, as a direct result of such actions. ...if that bothered to make any kind of sense.

Are you anti or pro abortion?
Pro. And while I don't think it should be used as an escape route from making a shitty decision, I don't think the common exceptions of rape and incest quite cover the other serious situations a woman can find herself in regarding pregnancy.

Death Penalty?
I can honestly say I'm on the fence. On one hand, I think it's sickening that we lower ourselves to the level of serial killers and the like and kill them ourselves - in addition, I think the worst part, for me, is the fact that there's basically a cheering squad singing these people to death, calling for blood. On the other, to sound completely hypocritical given my previous answers, I think some people 'deserve' it, for want of a better term. I wouldn't sit here and cheer it on, but some crimes are more sickening and revolting than lethal injection or whatever the hell else they use for people on Death Row.

Right to Die?
I think if someone wants to choose their own death, they have the right to it. And people should respect their wishes on that account.

Now, I can kind of say I'm on the fence about the situation involving someone in a coma or the like. I think a situation like that has a lot of mitigating factors that need to be taken into consideration before any action is taken.

Animals Rights?
I wholly believe in animal rights. I'm not mad gung-ho about it - I eat meat and all that jazz. But I think the animals that give up their lives for us should definitely be treated with more respect. Needless animal violence breaks my heart. Seriously. I can't watch animals getting beaten in TV or movies - I seriously start to cry.

Hunting, I think, is necessary in a survival situation - but again, respect. On the subject of animal testing, I'm a bit torn both ways. I think the experiments run on rats and mice have been incredibly helpful, but I also think a lot of it is needless.

As a sidenote, I'm definitely one of those people who'd adopt every stray I came across if I had the means. No lie.

Which system in our United States do you think needs the MOST overhaul?
Political System
Justice System
Educational System
Health Care System
Financial System
Tax System

Man...thinking about this stuff gives me a headache. I can sit here and get all political and whatnot and pick apart each and their respective design flaws, but I'd probably pass out from typing too much. I'm just going to go with the popular vote and say they're all pretty screwed, and they all need to be overhauled.
 
I thought he was just saying that if MEN got pregnant, then abortion would be more common place. And that since it's not, it should be left up to the woman in question.

I don't honestly know how I feel. On one hand, YES, a child's life is FAR more important than 9 months of hardship...and it's hard. But, that could be said for rape and incest too. Why not let something GOOD come out of something bad?

I've only known a handful of people who've done it. And all had logical reasons. Well, more logical than just "birth control".
One girl had been in an abusive relationship and was trying SO hard to get out of it when she realized she was pregnant. I can't call how she got pregnant ACTUAL rape, but it's not like she had a choice to stop and say, "Gee, what about protection". And I will say that if the guy had found out about the baby....things would have gone downhill FAST. She didn't have the option of take off the Arkansas and hide with the baby and I can't say the prospects were good for EITHER her or the baby if she'd tried.

Another girl had two kids already and somehow got pregnant within a month of her last baby being born. I'm not even sure how. Her relationship with her husband was already strained and they couldn't possibly move and had no money.
That one was SO horrible I didn't know what to do to help. She was supposed to get a hysterectomy in a month because the doctor had said her endometriosis was so bad. (Actually, it was her stupid DOCTOR that told her she wouldn't get pregnant in that first month after having a baby.)
And, at some point she pointed out that she not only had to think of her health and the baby's health, but the well being of the two kids she already had.
It didn't fall into the category of things I'd normally think of for abortions, but I had to admit, there was some logic to it.
In the end, she didn't have much of a choice because of something wrong with her uterus.

I'd also like to point out that BOTH of my kids were totally unplanned and BOTH were conceived while on birth control. Something about me having low estrogen levels and when you put me on birth control I go CRAZY fertile.
I don't think parenthood should be THRUST on anyone. It's too hard to go at it begrudgingly. It's the only thing I know of that there are a ZILLION ways to do wrong and NO WAY to do right.

I'm not saying I'm FOR abortion, because I'm really not. I'm just saying I think that most people (knowing the stigma attached to it) don't go into it lightly.
 
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Lindsey McDonald
I agree with everything you said. In a perfect world it would always be wrong, but we all know the world aint perfect. It's a really difficult issue. I do think that the father should have some rights, however.
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ckg927
Close...what I am saying is that men wouldn't be so cavalier with wanting to ban abortion if THEY had to go through it themselves. Beyond that...spot on takes.
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Buffanator
(good post!) There may be a *handful* of people who use abortion as a b/c method, but my money is on other reasons. Still, I do not presume to know/judge someone else's reasons - which is why I am pro CHOICE.
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Superstar
Well at least your birth control was truth in advertising.
Damn I would give you karma for that post Dlou44, but you're the last person I karmafied. Sorry! Haha. I agree with with what you said was all I was basically going to say too.
Abortion when used as a form of birth control or light hearted convenience I do not agree with, but in some situations it seems to be the only viable option and in cases of abortion where the decision is really thought about it is more often than not made for the sake of the child rather than the parent. As in the case of your examples and that, while the fact of abortion still makes me instinctively uncomfortable, I can agree with. Or rather do not hold it against the person who decides to do that.
But people, such as my aunt, who have used abortion as a form of birth control I definitely do not agree with it. My Aunt has always said she never wanted children and everytime she got pregnant she would have an abortion just like that. My point here is that should not be option for her- in my opinion that is the wrong thing. She was treating the ending of a life casually. If she didn't want kids she should have been more careful or perhaps as a more drastic measure have a hysterectomy. Abortion is, as you said, when done not to be taken lightly at all. And I think it's that what I disagree with more than the thing itself.

I'd also like to point out that BOTH of my kids were totally unplanned and BOTH were conceived while on birth control.

The same for me with my girl. We still have no idea how it happened. Haha.
 
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Lou
Well, I can Karma YOU! WELL SAID!
Dude, every time I look at this thread title I end up with that song from The King and I stuck in my head.

Getting to know you, getting to know all about you. . . . Make it stop!
 
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Buffanator
My apologies... but honestly, that song WAS going thru my head when I started this post... *oopsey!*
So, you think that a father and a child should have their rights to parenthood and life stripped because a woman has to carry the baby for 9 months? That's more than a little unfair, no? Is a baby's life worth less than 9 month's hardship? If a baby has been born, and the mother doesn't want it cause she has to look after it, should she be allowed to kill it? What exactly is the difference there? I can understand, if not agree with arguments regarding certain extreme circumstances, but I have to call BS on how your reply was phrased.

Edit: I agree with your point on Sex Education though.

Fair enough. Let me see if I can rephrase it. The mom has to carry the child,which in and of itself carries its own risk-just for starters,the risk of the mom dying in childbirth(which can and does happen),or acquiring conditions related to carrying the fetus that would require the mom being ordered to bed rest. The dad does do stuff(being supportive towards the mom,among other things(unless you watch "Maury" too much...😉 ),let's be fair. As for the difference between killing before and after....before birth,it's legal(though,naturally,the further along a pregnancy is,the tougher it is to get one-despite all the BS we hear). After birth it becomes murder-and that I CANNOT defend.
 
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Lou
My Mom died in child birth, just because she had the flu around the same time!
My Mom died in child birth AND my daughter permanently RUINED my bladder! Which is really not fun. Especially before I was even 30 and having to wear Depends all the time!

Hmmmmm......not that the bladder thing is reason for an abortion I suppose. In fact, that might be a worse reason than "after the fact birth control".
Although, if I were to spontaneously become pregnant it would certainly be a BIG concern of mine.
(You know, I should be banned from posting after midnight, I think the medication is making me Late Night Post Crazy)
 
Do you believe in (any) God?
Absolutely yes. Wouldn't have the strength to make it through even one day of my life if I allowed myself doubts about that. In a world whose existence is unproven and unprovable, God-As-I-Understand-It is my anchorpoint of faith.

Do you practice a religion?
No. Brought up Catholic, resigned from practising it during puberty (when stumbling upon Buddhism and Hinduism, and noticing the glaring hypocrisy of the way my family approached Christianity), and finally left the church officially in 2003. I'd nowadays refer to myself as a nonconfessional, pantheist mystic.

Do you believe in Heaven?
Yes. The way I imagine it is quite different from "traditional" heaven, however. I see Heaven as leaving the limitations of subjective, personal existence and having the soul (once again) become one with God - timeless, impersonal, omniscient and objective.
That doesn't rule out reincarnation, but I consider it quite possible that the "God-Energy" making up the person who's typing this post atm might be "recycled" into half a lion, five rocks, 237 daisies and 18% free-floating energy, just as easily as into another Homo Sapiens.

Hell?
Not exactly, especially not as the eternal place of damnation where God chucks off the unfaithful... The "hellish" aspects of my cosmology are more in line with Martinus' Purgatory - the "ghostly" mind of a dead person "stuck" in subjective, personal hallucinations (with their neuroses shaping their more or less nightmarish "personal hell"). Sort of like Angelus' experience in "Orpheus", actually.
I strongly believe that, if you find yourself in this "Hell", you can leave it at any time if you reject it as not reality, but a product of your troubled psyche; I see that as pretty much like realizing you're dreaming in a lucid dream (one of the reasons lucidity, and training to achieve it, fascinates me).

Are you anti or pro abortion?
Strongly Pro-choice. IMO there are much, much worse things that can happen to a kid after it's born than being killed of in the womb - in fact, I've been through some of those, and I've more than occasionally wondered whether abortion wouldn't have been the smarter thing to do in my mum & dad's case, for everyone involved. If a pregnant woman, for whatever reason, comes to the conclusion that it's better for her kid not being born, I'm not gonna argue with her.

Death Penalty?
Very much against it. The only one who should have the right to end a human life post-birth is that person him- or herself, and even if said person killed another one, "two wrongs don't make a right".

Right to Die?
100% in favor, if you take care to ensure the decision is made by the "assisted suicidals" themselves, not manipulated by others with vested interests.

Animals Rights?
While I'd love to give a clear yes (as I, too, find animals to be nicer creatures than many of the humans I know, including myself), I realize that this answer would be hypocritical as I enjoy to eat meat and know that it can't be produced at the price I can afford to pay while treating the animals with respect. That we kill them for food doesn't concern me much (that's just nature's way), that we make them suffer through horribly inhumane treatment before we kill them DOES concern me (live long-distance cattle transports, mass-cage egg-farms etc.). And harming/killing an animal for anything else than food or basic clothing (e.g., leather for a pair of shoes, especially since "the rest" of the cow or pig killed for these shoes can be eaten - but not fur coats) is just plain wrong.

Which system in our United States do you think needs the MOST overhaul?
I'll pass on that, as I'm no US citizen.
 
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Blondie Bear
Very interesting way of looking at the world. And, though mystic, far more defined than mine. :)
To clarify on the pro-abortion, anti-death penalty situation, I don't see a foetus as a living thing. I see it as an amalgamam of various cells and tissues, but since it can't be said to have an objective consciousness, it's about as alive to me as a flower is. I don't however believe in killing a person, something that is quite obviously alive and thinks and feels. The only possible consciousness that could be attributed to a foetus is feeling pain and things like that, but flowers have been proven to react to damage as well, they move in the direction of the sun, they have various functions but they're still not alive. A mother always comes before a foetus in my eyes.
 
To clarify on the pro-abortion, anti-death penalty situation, I don't see a foetus as a living thing. I see it as an amalgamam of various cells and tissues, but since it can't be said to have an objective consciousness, it's about as alive to me as a flower is. I don't however believe in killing a person, something that is quite obviously alive and thinks and feels. The only possible consciousness that could be attributed to a foetus is feeling pain and things like that, but flowers have been proven to react to damage as well, they move in the direction of the sun, they have various functions but they're still not alive. A mother always comes before a foetus in my eyes.

Try telling that to somebody who's had a miscarriage, about it just being cells and tissues. I'll bet they severely disagree with you.
 
Try telling that to somebody who's had a miscarriage, about it just being cells and tissues. I'll bet they severely disagree with you.

I know, I cringed when I read what he said too. But, then I started thinking that I think 3-4 months is the cut off for abortions...(here anyway) and before 4 months, they're really not all that much more than cells and tissues making something.....kind of like blending the ingredients for cookie dough...:whistle:
Now, once you get to 4 months, it not longer looks like a lima bean on the screen and starts to wiggle around in there. That's when it gets miserable to lose them.

As long as they keep abortions legal for before 16 weeks, I'm okay with it. I don't LIKE thinking of unborn babies as a mass of cells, but potential cookies aren't exactly cookies yet.
 
Hmmm...let's see...

Do you believe in (any) God?
Nope, I get coincidence and fate and stuff...but I don't exactly see how it comes from a higher being.

Do you practice a religion?
Not really. I was brought up a buddhist, but I kinda suck at it, although I do try and follow the basics.

Do you believe in Heaven? Hell?
You mean as an extra place other than the surroundings we occasionally create for ourselves? Nope and nope.


Are you anti or pro abortion?
Pro-choice...but I do believe if you really are going to make that decision, you ought to have a very good reason for it. I'm not going to clarify that because everyone's circumstance is different.

Death Penalty?
I'm a bit on the fence on this one...an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but what if there was just one guy out there poking everyone in the eyes?

Right to Die?
I think for me this is kinda like the pro-choice thing.

Animals Rights?
They have every right to live freely, eat and hunt just as we do, it's just somewhat unfortunate that we take hunting to the extremes....but I'm against animal testing.

Which system in our United States do you think needs the MOST overhaul?
Being an Aussie in Scotland, don't know.
 
Try telling that to somebody who's had a miscarriage, about it just being cells and tissues. I'll bet they severely disagree with you.
They're not mourning the loss of a foetus. They are mourning the loss of the life that it COULD have become, NOT the life that it was. You can't kill something that's not really alive.
 
You can't kill something that's not really alive.

If you're saying a fetus is as alive as a flower, sure you can. I kill plants ALL THE TIME!
You can certainly STOP a life or a life to be.
The trick seems to be when it's "murder" and when it isn't.
At 3 months, although LOTS of things are working with a fetus, I don't see it as having a "soul". I'm not sure why not.
By 6 month along, it can suck it's thumb, kick, all sorts of things. The thumb sucking I feel is a big deal. No need to comfort youself without a soul.

But, since 6 month abortions aren't legal, I suppose there is no point in debating it.
 
Well, you have to keep in mind that at 8 weeks, the nueral tube is developing, which is the most important early development... so in many people's opinions, that's alive. And if you want to get technical, from the first cell divisions, that's alive as well, because dead things don't normally have dividing cells.

And no, when I had my miscarriage, I was not morning a child that could have been, I was mourning the lost of my child. And that was at 4 weeks. To people who really want children and are excited about it, it's not a matter of zygotes and embryos and the fetus, it's a child, no matter the age.
 
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Lindsey McDonald
Thank you for sharing. I understand it must be hard, but I agree with your points.
The Chosen
The Chosen
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They're not mourning the loss of a foetus. They are mourning the loss of the life that it COULD have become, NOT the life that it was. You can't kill something that's not really alive.

You compare a foetus to a flower, saying all they are are masses of cells, yet you acknowledge that people mourn because it "could have become" a life? One problem there, flowers don't grow into people. A feotus, without outside intervention or miscarriage, always will. It doesn't matter if you consider it a "life" or not, because if you leave it alone then it will make it into your categorisation of life. A flower won't. Why is killing a feotus before it gets there any different to killing a baby? You are killing not the baby it could become, but the baby it will become. The only time this may not be true is where complex medical issues come into play, and I sympathise with anyone in that situation and the choices they must make.
 
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Lou
I have the urge to sing, "Little Shop, Little Shop of Horrors"
And no, when I had my miscarriage, I was not morning a child that could have been, I was mourning the lost of my child. And that was at 4 weeks. To people who really want children and are excited about it, it's not a matter of zygotes and embryos and the fetus, it's a child, no matter the age.

SpikedBuffy:
You know, I should apologize. I'm sorry, I was wrong.
I've had a couple of early miscarriages, but I had at least one kid the first time and 2 the 2nd time. Both were early enough that I wasn't even AWARE I was pregnant when the miscarriage happened.
Granted, I DID mourn the "baby that could have been" but it was kind of tempered with the fact that I didn't know I was pregnant before it happened and that at that early it just wasn't "meant to be". But, you're right, no matter how early it is, you're still aware of the child that might have been. I certainly wasn't mourning a "mass of cells", I was thinking, "What if...."
I shouldn't have been so cavalier about the age of the fetus and what is and isn't a mass of cells.
 
SpikedBuffy
SpikedBuffy
Thank You. :)
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