Giles' Exit in Bargaining

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Awww... Just rewatched this ep yesterday and it always warms me to watch this scene. ASH is brilliant, and the way he played it was so emotional and beautiful. It made it clear that he thought of all the group as his children, in a way. 🙂 And even though they've clashed so many times over the years, even Giles and Xander's hug was adorable. 😀
 
I agree. I'd have loved it if they got Giles a gf and a couple of others friends, so he felt like he had more of a point being there, and he could've stayed. But i still liked everything about Bargaining, its my best of s6.
 
All the hugs were so heartfelt! My favorites are the Giles/Tara and Xander/Giles ones, I feel bad for Tara and Xander because they'd lived with abusive fathers. Giles -while not as much as he was to Buffy and Willow- was more of a father to them than theirs.
 
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All the hugs were so heartfelt! My favorites are the Giles/Tara and Xander/Giles ones, I feel bad for Tara and Xander because they'd lived with abusive fathers. Giles -while not as much as he was to Buffy and Willow- was more of a father to them than theirs.

Awwww, I never thought about it that way for Tara, but yes, the thought did cross my mind about Xander. When you really stop to think about how much Giles must have meant to them in that regard, it makes you all warm and fuzzy and maybe just a tad choked up. 🙂
 
Awww... Just rewatched this ep yesterday and it always warms me to watch this scene. ASH is brilliant, and the way he played it was so emotional and beautiful. It made it clear that he thought of all the group as his children, in a way. 🙂 And even though they've clashed so many times over the years, even Giles and Xander's hug was adorable. 😀

I think that's the first time Giles and Xander ever hugged. No, wait a minute they hugged in The Body.

I think the show wasn't the same without Giles around. Well, season 6 wasn't the same. One of the reasons why season 6 is my 2nd least favourite season.
 
Did anyone in BtVS have a good father?
Giles to me always seemed like the father they all wished they had. It is so, so sad when he's hugging them all goodbye.
 
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Now that I think about it...no.
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As far as I can recall, the only two characters in any of Joss' series to have a loving father, or at least pleasant memories of him were Fred and Mal. Nice daddies just don't seem to abound in the Whedonverse.
Awwww, I agree. Giles was definitely the father figure for all of them. Wonder what that says that the writers didn't want to give anyone in the Buffyverse (or Angelverse, for that matter) a good father figure??
 
Wonder what that says that the writers didn't want to give anyone in the Buffyverse (or Angelverse, for that matter) a good father figure??

Fred's dad wasn't that bad was he? And I've never quite thought about Angel's/Liam's dad. How bad was he? Liam didn't like him for sure but was he really a bad dad? Someone please help the guy with the awful memory.
 
^I think in The Prodigal, Liam was shown to have a bad dad. I dont think he's the kinda dad that beats him or anything but i think it implys he always put Liam down and belittled him and stuff, like verbal bullying.
I think Freds dad was the only good one in the Buffyverse.
 
I agree about Giles being Father. The scene at the airport was great, but I like when he told Buffybot he'll leave. You know, she's not Buffy. Imagine how sad he was. He must think he failed and lost his Slayer. And he had to look at her face and say goodbye. 🙁
 
Oooh, I forgot about Fred's dad. Yeah, Fred's parents were probably my favorite in the whole Buffyverse. 🙂 They were pretty cool parents...

I always got the impression that Liam's dad was the kind of father who made sure Liam felt that no matter what he did, he would never be good enough. And I have definitely seen enough of that IRL to know that those are some of the very worst kinds of dad's; they turn their children into psychos.
 
Any emotional, heartfelt scene with Giles makes me blubber like a baby! I was devastated when Giles went and I agree that the show really wasn't the same without him. But at the same time, I get why he did leave. He was becoming more and more isolated from his own social life. In season 4, Olivia popped a couple of times and he was at the Espresso Pump etc. And in season 5 he had the Magic Shop but, I just felt bad for him that he must have felt a little out of the loop and even a bit depressed that he was surrounded by people half his age all the time. Who knows?

I agree that he is a father-like figure to all of them, and I like that you pointed out none of them had good fathers, Cyclon, BUT he is Buffy's father figure more so than anyone else's. You can't take that away from me! 😛
 
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but, despite all of the huge and heartfelt declarations of love and loyalty at the airport, I always just saw this as Giles deserting his post. The gang had gone to great lengths all summer to create the illusion that Buffy was still alive, even re-activating the Buffybot, a less than perfect substitute for the real Slayer. Every fighter available was needed to make the illusion continue. Whether or not he was actually still employed by the Council or not, Giles should have felt it as his duty to remain on his post, considering everything that seemed to be constantly popping up there. Buffy was dead, Faith was locked away in prison, and certainly Giles knew, even if the others didn't, that there would not be another Slayer forthcoming. He was the most knowledgeable human demon fighter of the group, and, since it has been established that no one except Dawn really trusted Spike, also probably the most powerful fighter as well. The hellmouth was the center of demonic activity on the planet, he was needed there, and he chose to return home.
 
I see where you can feel that way. I kinda did, too... I felt that even with Buffy out of the picture, Giles had made his home in Sunnydale. He had his business, and all these kids who clearly saw him as a friend and father figure. It made me so sad that he would feel that just because Buffy was gone he had no reason to stay there.
 
I guess it's fine for Giles to go to his homeland and check on his family and friends back in England. I mean, he's been hanging with no one but kids for the past five years. I'd give him a break. *shrug*
 
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One of the things I have liked about the series is that the characters stay true to themselves.

In a lot of TV shows, you find that the characters grow stale and rarely seem to develop and change drastically. When they do, it takes a sudden jolt and it usually comes out of left field. That's a formula that works for many popular shows. What is different with BtVS is that there's very little use of "Deus Ex-Machina". Anything that happens is usually hinted towards much earlier in the show. Whether it's a subtle headache scene, Riley's conversation with Xander, the kiss between Xander and Willow in the graveyard, "the kinda gay" quote by Willow, the way Giles had been slowly moving away from the group and trying his best to find a reason to stay (the Magic Box), and it goes on. Entire story lines develop around things that can happen as much as a season before the actual story line comes into play. It's unique, and it keeps the show fresh and organic. It is why I enjoy the show so much.
 
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