Giles' opinion of Angel at Wolfram & Hart

[RogueDemonHunter]

Sorry, I couldn't really think of a good title for this thread

I was just reading another thread about that scene at the end of the episode "Damage" where Andrew states the Scoobies' dissaproval and non- trust of Angel since he came to Wolfram & Hart, and that got me thinking about the episode "Shells", when Angel calls Giles to ask for help killing Illyria and getting back Fred. Giles refuses because he no longer trusts Angel.

So, even though there may have not been a way to bring Fred back, and even if Giles not trusting Angel may be in many ways justified, I found this extremely narrow minded of Giles. From my observations, the way the writers treated the entire Scooby Gang in Season 5 of AtS was not as I would have wanted. Anyway back to the point, does anyone else think that Giles was narrow minded in this instance, and moreover, do you think the writers handled the Scooby Gang badly in this season?

 

[Hale Caesar]

I think the writers handled the Scoobies properly, none of them really liked Angel, and vice-versa. And to be honest, Angel probably doesn't care because he went to LA and formed his own group of very close friends and he trusted them completely.

So to answer the question, I don't think Giles was narrow minded because he never liked Angel in the first place and probably didn't want to help him

 

[brinkster130]

I understand why the Scoobies and Giles were skeptical and disapproving of AI's involvement with W&H but I did think it was little of Giles to refuse to help in this case. While none of them knew Fred particularly well, Willow had interacted with her and they seemed to be friendly enough. Not to mention, bringing Fred back would have been a nice thing to do for Wesley. IMO, it was sad to see Giles turn away from helping Fred simply because he didn't trust Angel; petty almost.



On a side note, I found it odd that the Scoobies and co. didn't question why AI joined W&H before deciding they were untrustworthy. They were fighting the same fight after all.....

 

[Robb Stark]

That entire story with the Scoobies distrusting Angel bothered me. Actually, scratch that, most of the Scoobies never liked Angel (for right or wrong), which I didn't mind. What did tick me off was Andrew saying that Buffy didn't trust Angel anymore. Really? Come on. That scene pretty much killed that episode for me. Considering that Angel bringing the amulet to Sunnydale in Chosen was the only reason the ubervamps died, and that it was a spell of the Scoobie's own making that resulted in a complete nut-job gaining Slayer powers, that scene wasn't character consistent at all. I mean, Angel was the one who called to tell them about it in the first place! And Buffy (or maybe it was Giles, who knows) sends a Slayer force to what, take her from Angel by force? I just don't believe Buffy would have done that (although in my head I like to think that it was Giles sending the Slayers. He's gone behind Buffy's back many times before).

The Scoobies not interacting more with Team Angel was always something that bugged me a little bit (and vice-versa). I mean, for two teams that face an apocalypse every few months, and that are really only a few hours away from each other by car, you'd think they would help each other out more. I know that they're separate shows, I get that, but just from a pure storyline perspective, if Angel is calling begging for help, you're telling me Buffy isn't going to answer? No way. It's like in "Not Fade Away". If the entire city of L.A. is under siege from the Senior Partners, and Angel and Spike, the two guys Buffy cares more for than anyone, are in mortal peril, she's not going to be there? Again, no way. Although, I sort of head-cannon that once the screen fades to black in that episode, a Buffy and Faith led army of Slayers shows up and helps.

 

[Sweet J]

It's definitely inconsistent, I think a lot of it can be explained by the shows being on two seperate networks and pressure on the writing staff to prevent cross overs or losing fans to the other show. As mentioned at the start of the commentary of 'Fredless' (Season 3 ep 5 of Angel) the writers were even told by the network producers to not use the word ''Buffy'' if they can at all help, it for that very reason.

The whole thing bugs me too, not to mention that a lot of season 7 of Buff left long time fans questioning what happened to Giles and others.