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Spike Vicious

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I guess I shall preface by acknowledging that I am quite behind the times here. I still have a bit of catching up to do as well, having recently finished watching Season 6 of Buffy, with the final season still waiting to be seen. Though, I already have an idea of what happens, as I watched the entire series of Angel. I have a habit of doing things out of order.

I'm actually partial to Angel, though like with Buffy, I like the earlier seasons better, before everything became all dark, all of the time. For the most part, I like the characters on Angel better, though Spike's probably my favorite on either show. I like punk rock and gravitate toward characters that are a bit prickly. (My user name is a reference to Spike's Sex Pistols influence; though, I always thought he looked more like Captain Sensible from the Damned.)

There are actually a few things about Buffy that always bugged me, and I know I'm in the minority with this sentiment. First, and probably something that will ensure I don't make too many friends around here, but I've never been much of a fan of the Buffy character. During the stories about her relationships, she comes off a bit self-absorbed and whiny, and even when she's acting like a good person, she's just not that terribly interesting to me. I just can't relate to her at all. I think SMG did a great job in the role, and I think the writers succeeded in what they were trying to accomplish with the character and her story. But if I had to choose a character I'd want to hang out with, Buffy would be one of the last.

Now that a good portion of you think I'm a troll, allow me to continue. In the early part of the series, part of the humor had to do with the awkward manner of speaking of some of the characters (particularly Willow and Xander). It was amusing in small doses, but small doses was not what we got, and soon it spread to enter group conversations of everyone talking to each other like nervous strangers, even though they were supposed to be best friends. Besides Spike, my favorite Buffy characters are Giles and Xander. I like Anya quite a bit, too, mostly for her tactlessness.

Regarding Angel, I liked that show from start to finish, though there were certain elements that bugged me. While I was really happy they sped up the Connor storyline so we didn't have to deal with him being a baby for long, his recalcitrance when it came to accepting Angel as his dad was a bit annoying. I used to like the idea of "tweeners" (somewhere between good and bad), but this was another example of why I actually prefer the old black and white, good guy/bad guy format. Every time I thought Connor was starting to behave himself and do the right thing, he'd turn around and do something monumentally stupid just to spite Angel. (Hell, he was almost as bad as Pete Campbell!) Also, I think they went to the Angelus well one too many times. Overall, though, I understand the show got the network shaft and had to make due with an early departure.

Anyway, that's a Cliff's Notes version of my Buffy/Angel experience. Feel free to bust out the pitchforks (or not, preferably).
 
Washburne
Washburne
Great introduction.
Hello!! Welcome to BB. I have to say this was a rather great introduction. Don't worry, we welcome all sorts of opinions here and I believe there are actually a good number of folks who aren't big on Buffy herself. (She's not a favorite or least favorite of mine, personally.) But Spike love! Kudos to that. 🙂 Hope to see you posting around!
 
Welcome to BB! Epic intro post, I like your style. Don't worry, you are not the only one who isn't fond of Buffy and far from the only person who thinks Spike is a God amongst men, er vampires, er vampires who want to be men. Spike frustrates me. I wish he'd pick a team and stick with it 🙂

I don't think anyone who reads the above missive will confuse you for a troll. You use grammar, capital letters where they should be and not only know the word but can spell recalcitrance. The community here is awesome and someone with well reasoned points of view is not only tolerated but encouraged to get involved is discussions.

Have fun and post lots 🙂
 
S
Summerlilly
recalcitrance. that was hard haha!! :D
Welcome to BB! Epic intro post, I like your style. Don't worry, you are not the only one who isn't fond of Buffy and far from the only person who thinks Spike is a God amongst men, er vampires, er vampires who want to be men. Spike frustrates me. I wish he'd pick a team and stick with it 🙂

I don't think anyone who reads the above missive will confuse you for a troll. You use grammar, capital letters where they should be and not only know the word but can spell recalcitrance. The community here is awesome and someone with well reasoned points of view is not only tolerated but encouraged to get involved is discussions.

Have fun and post lots 🙂

Thanks, Jodast. And I appreciate your appreciation of proper spelling and grammar. As someone who makes a living toiling in such banalities (I'm a newspaper editor), most online forums drive me nuts. But so far I'm really liking what I read here. I have a lot of reading ahead of me, so I'm hoping to be giving my two cents along the way.
 
Hey, nice to have you here. BB is a really cool place if you're into either show.

Don't worry, a troll you most definitely are not. Like the always-awesome Jodast said, you have great grammar, which, believe me, is SO appreciated. Part of the fun on a site like this is having good-hearted discussions with people who don't agree with you on things. That's totally cool.

In that vein though, have to take issue with the anti-Buffyness (in a fun way, I promise). I love pretty much everything about Buffy the character. It's funny that you talked about hanging out with a character or relating to one and her not being in the running, that's exactly how I feel about her, like, to the letter, except, you know, the...other way. (Man, rereading that last sentence, probably needs some work. Lot of commas) As Jodast can attest from some previous threads I've started, I've never related to a character more, in anything really (kind of in love with Buffy, to be honest), and if I could hang out with one of them, Buffy would be alone at the top of my list.

I like Spike, a lot, but I've always felt Angel was the better character, and easier for me to relate to. I'm not hating on Spike at all, but I certainly don't think of him as a god among men...or vamps...or whatever.

I do agree with the Connor sentiment though. So annoying.

A newspaper editor? Nice! I was the editor-in-chief at my college paper last year. Love the journalism reps!
 
Jodast
Jodast
always-awesome/barely-tolerable...tomayto/tomahto :)
Hey!! Welcome to the boards! Awesome intro!! I look forward to seeing you around a lot more!!
 
Welcome to the boards - an excellent introduction if I ever read one for sure!

I'm looking forward to chatting with you about all kinds of things, stating your opinion isn't trolling, even if I don't agree with you! Personally I love the character of Buffy, and despite her being a vampire slayer I feel I can relate to her fairly well.

I also like punk rock and think Spike was a great character. I'd love to spend a night boozing and talking and drunkenly singing with him!

Make yourself at home - I'm looking forward to seeing you around. You seem like my kind of guy.
 
Yup. You are the biggest troll in Trolldom. 😉 Only I'm kidding, and welcome to the boards. You seem awesome. 😀
 
Welcome to the boards. Having "different" opinions isn't a bad thing. Imagine if everyone felt the same. Not that fun. Or maybe it's because I love and/or defend the likes of Dawn, Kennedy, Andrew, Tara, Cangel, Buffybot and Connor. None of which are the most popular in the fandom. Spike? When he isn't love sick I most often enjoy him. A lot. Not a fan of him and Buffy though.

Hope to see you around.
 
Welcome to the land of BB 😀 Another Angel fan woop woop 😀 I loved Spike in Angel more so than in Buffy! Faith is my fav character 😀
 
Wow. That is definitely the best reception I’ve ever had in a forum. Some of your responses made me realize my initial post wasn’t as accurate as I’d hoped.

The more I think of it, I’ve probably enjoyed Angel’s character more than Spike’s; it’s just that I relate to Spike on a more immediate level. Ultimately, he was never meant to be an “A” character, and I think that’s part of the appeal (especially given his history, having initially been intended for Buffy’s slay list until fan interest changed that.)

Also, because I’m currently still watching Buffy and finished Angel a while ago, Spike is still fresh in my mind. Though, having just watched Season 6, I didn’t really like the direction his character took. His relationship with Buffy just seemed really stupid to me. If he really liked her, he’d learn how to not be such a bloody knob all the time. And if she really liked him — as indicated by her jealousy of the Anya incident — she wouldn’t have rebuffed (pun intentional) his advances so definitively. But let me state for the record that I’m not much into the whole “’shipping” thing. I’ll leave that debate to others. (Personally, I like all the characters most when they’re not dating each other.)
 
The more I think of it, I've probably enjoyed Angel's character more than Spike's; it's just that I relate to Spike on a more immediate level. Ultimately, he was never meant to be an "A" character, and I think that's part of the appeal (especially given his history, having initially been intended for Buffy's slay list until fan interest changed that.)

I think this hits the nail on the head. Most of us tend to enjoy best the characters we can relate to the most. I think that's one of the absolute best strengths of Buffy and Angel the shows. There are so many strong, realistic characters (in a world that can be pretty out there, what with the slaying and all). I get the Spike-love. He's an awesome character, and very easy to relate to, no doubt.

While I like Spike (he definitely falls into "beloved character" status) a lot, Angel has always been easier for me to relate to, so by extension I suppose that's why I connect to him more. Buffy even more so.
 
Hi Spike Vicious. I'm new around here too but wanted to say hello.

The first time I saw Buffy, I didn't feel a connection with Buffy the character at all. I was all about Willow. I'm still a bigger fan of Willow since she's someone I could actually imagine myself being friends with but I'm okay with Buffy now. Took a few rewatches to get to that point.

I'm just now getting into Angel so I'm glad to see how much you enjoyed it. I've never gotten past the first season but I'm committed to get through the series this time. I'm only 4 episodes in but it already seems better than I remembered. So I might make it after all!
 
[MENTION=709]SpikeVicious[/MENTION] Hello. I'm Summer. Nice to meet you. Way to start off with a bang! 😉 Sorry I'm late on the greeting. I have a bad habit of that! 😱 You haven't seen season 7 of Buffy yet??! Well, you've come to the right place. I expect to see a lot of your opinions on what happens. 😀

I get what you're saying about Buffy but I'm certainly a B defender. 😛 I'd take a lucky guess and say Spike would be the character you'd choose to hang out with. He's my favorite too. I can't stand Connor. He annoys the hell out of me!! haha

Welcome to BB! I'm sure you'll be obsessively addicted in no time! : grinno :
 
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