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ukkid09

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Who agree that Buffy turned into a grown up ?

I didn't think this season was depressing and sad in a good way.
I didn't like how Buffy life turned dramatically down hill,i felt so shocking on her when she opened this letter and she wasn't excepted to go into collage to try to make her life better,also i thought this bit was very depressing as well the bit when the social worker came into it and said "I'm sure there are.But my interest is in Dawn's welfare and the stability of her home life. Something I'm not convinced an unemployed young woman as yourself can provide" Actaully made me cry 🙁🙁🙁

And i think Buffy gain alot of responsibility of looking after dawn and her life.She looked for a job,but i still felt shocking on her ,thats why i like this season to show that life is hard and everybody goes threw it , even if you are a super hero like Buffy....


who agree this season made Buffy into a women.???
 
Honestly, not that much.

If becoming an adult or grown-up is about being responsible then I don't see Buffy as becoming very responsible or mature.

One of the best instances of this would be her choice of employment. She chose to work at the Doublemeat Palace. That's low pay, mostly crappy work, and crappy hours since she can't determine shifts most likely. That'd be fine, if that was the only thing that she could get. It wasn't.

She could have worked at the Magic Box, the Trio's pranks there stopped so that isn't an issue in the long run. Working there would have allowed her flexibility to be the Slayer given that it's pretty much the only job at the time where people know about it and will let her have the time to do it. Also, Buffy could have spent more time with and kept an eye on Dawn by having her come to the shop after school and stay until Buffy's done with her shift so that they can go home together. Her friends also hang around there quite a bit, so that's an additional benefit. I'd wager that the pay is probably better than fast food, especially if they sell expensive stuff and if she can work on commission.

That's not a mistake in learning to be an adult, that's playing the martyr and not the best choice, especially for Dawn who Buffy is the guardian for.
 
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yeah, but working at the Double Meat Palace gave us another storyline
i agree, in my opinion she started acting like a proper adult when Giles left in season 6 if you ask me.
season 5 she was mature, but she still sometimes relied on Giles and the scoobys.
 
This was one of the reasons I'm not really big on Season 6. I know they had to grow up eventually but it just all of a sudden seemed to take a slightly depressing turn
 
This was one of the reasons I'm not really big on Season 6. I know they had to grow up eventually but it just all of a sudden seemed to take a slightly depressing turn



i have to disagree there, i think that that is what made the show, and for me i enjoyed watching buffy grow up.
i thought it was good for the season.
 
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It has to be my least favourite season though due to the fact they all had depressing storylines I much prefer the light hearted earlier seasons however they did redeem themselves in Season 7 which I love 🙂
 
This was one of the reasons I'm not really big on Season 6. I know they had to grow up eventually but it just all of a sudden seemed to take a slightly depressing turn
I like the later seasons better.
I know the first 3 seasons are "High School is Hell", but really the series didn't show that so well. It was really just a showcase for "Puppy-love!!!!!1" overlaid with some supernatural trappings. If you want to argue that HSiH is puppy-love personified, then I suppose there is a leg there to stand on; one that I'm not inconsiderate of kicking the shin of.
It got better after Angel left. Plain and simple.
The 4th season? Eh... some holdovers of the first 3 seasons colors this for me in a negative light; especially the first half of the season.
As for Angel, that was better after the separation from Buffy was fully in effect. Took a few seasons, but it got there.
 
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I Agree with your points.
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I agree with your points how when Angel left it came even better, even Angel.I love this season because it relate more to real life issues,So i can wacth this season and relate and think i am not the only one who is going threw this situations...
 
I think S6 Buffy is supposed to grow up, but anyone who HAS grown up can tell you it's not that easy. And that's what this season was about. Growing up, even if you're not perfect at it, even if it's hard and scary. I do not think that Buffy behaved as an adult in this season. Her relationship with Spike shows that much. But it depicted the process of growing up nicely. You don't just wake up one day as an adult. You have to go through the motions to become one, as Buffy and the Scoobies did in S6.
 
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I guess you are forced to grow up in the face of adversity. And they did face adversity...between themselves and in their relationships. This season did have its slow moments with the double meat palace but ultimately it put the characters through a lot of mature problems. Did Buffy always act like an adult? Certainly not but it did force her to deal with her life... in a mature way or not. It showed that slayers can have the same problems as everyone else, topped with a bout a billion other challenges...but as a whole it was time for the group to really go through some hardships together, to evolve as charcters and to well, grow up.
 
How exactly did they end up doing that though? Xander and Anya are growing up as shown by them getting married, except that they don't. And instead of talking about their problems like adults, Xander takes a time-out which is sorta justifiable, and then Anya basically just leaves him and has sex with some other guy. What's grown up about that? Is Willow supposed to have grown up? She ends up nearly destroying the world by trying to take vengeance instead of going for justice, either in a legal sense or the semi-vigilante sense of the "war against evil". Is that grown up? Buffy chooses to get into a bad relationship, picks one of the worst jobs possible considering the alternatives, and is at least partially neglectful of Dawn as a result. Is that grown up?

Pretty much all the characters end the season in this state. Sure, Buffy isn't seeing Spike anymore, but that's about it. Whatever ground she gained with Dawn is pretty much gone by halfway through Season 7. How exactly is the season about growing up if they don't actually do it? It shouldn't be a flick of a switch, but if that's the theme of the season, then it should actually take place in the season. Sure, they face "real world grown up" problems, but they don't actually deal with them as grown ups. Sure one can argue that's it's more dramatic this way, but it doesn't make them grown up.
 
How exactly did they end up doing that though? Xander and Anya are growing up as shown by them getting married, except that they don't. And instead of talking about their problems like adults, Xander takes a time-out which is sorta justifiable, and then Anya basically just leaves him and has sex with some other guy. What's grown up about that? Is Willow supposed to have grown up? She ends up nearly destroying the world by trying to take vengeance instead of going for justice, either in a legal sense or the semi-vigilante sense of the "war against evil". Is that grown up? Buffy chooses to get into a bad relationship, picks one of the worst jobs possible considering the alternatives, and is at least partially neglectful of Dawn as a result. Is that grown up?

Pretty much all the characters end the season in this state. Sure, Buffy isn't seeing Spike anymore, but that's about it. Whatever ground she gained with Dawn is pretty much gone by halfway through Season 7. How exactly is the season about growing up if they don't actually do it? It shouldn't be a flick of a switch, but if that's the theme of the season, then it should actually take place in the season. Sure, they face "real world grown up" problems, but they don't actually deal with them as grown ups. Sure one can argue that's it's more dramatic this way, but it doesn't make them grown up.

To me growing up just means having to make difficult decisions, rather you choose wrong or right. You can still grow up and act immaturely at times. Really growing up is learning from your mistakes and I think Buffy and Willow both did that, so did Anya and Xander. Buffy leaving Spike, Willow going away to England, and Xander realizing he wasn't ready and Anya having learn how to deal with real pain. Imean they went through a lot of serious shit...maybe you have to grow up a little.
 
How exactly did they end up doing that though? Xander and Anya are growing up as shown by them getting married, except that they don't. And instead of talking about their problems like adults, Xander takes a time-out which is sorta justifiable, and then Anya basically just leaves him and has sex with some other guy. What's grown up about that? Is Willow supposed to have grown up? She ends up nearly destroying the world by trying to take vengeance instead of going for justice, either in a legal sense or the semi-vigilante sense of the "war against evil". Is that grown up? Buffy chooses to get into a bad relationship, picks one of the worst jobs possible considering the alternatives, and is at least partially neglectful of Dawn as a result. Is that grown up?

Pretty much all the characters end the season in this state. Sure, Buffy isn't seeing Spike anymore, but that's about it. Whatever ground she gained with Dawn is pretty much gone by halfway through Season 7. How exactly is the season about growing up if they don't actually do it? It shouldn't be a flick of a switch, but if that's the theme of the season, then it should actually take place in the season. Sure, they face "real world grown up" problems, but they don't actually deal with them as grown ups. Sure one can argue that's it's more dramatic this way, but it doesn't make them grown up.

Since when does growing up happen overnight?
Since when does someone grow up without making any mistakes, errors in judgment, moments of immaturity?
You really see no difference between the characters in S6 and the characters at the end of S6/beginning of S7?
S6 isn't about a bunch of grown-ups. It is about the PROCESS OF GROWING UP, which yes, is a process, and yes, takes time, and yes, doesn't happen perfectly overnight.
 
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Since when does growing up happen overnight?

Which is why I said by the end of the season. Not overnight. Or why I said that it shouldn't be the flick of a switch.

Since when does someone grow up without making any mistakes, errors in judgment, moments of immaturity?

I never said that they wouldn't, however if it's about becoming an adult, then they should be making good decisions by the end of it. Which they don't.

You really see no difference between the characters in S6 and the characters at the end of S6/beginning of S7?

Course there's a difference. However, they're not actually any more grown up.

S6 isn't about a bunch of grown-ups. It is about the PROCESS OF GROWING UP, which yes, is a process, and yes, takes time, and yes, doesn't happen perfectly overnight.

Then the season isn't about them growing up. It's about them screwing up because they aren't yet grown ups. And they still haven't learned anything, because even in the seventh season they're making horribly stupid decisions.
 
Season 6 is completely about growing up. Growing up doesn't necessarily mean making all the right choices, but learning how to make good choices by making bad ones and learning from them. Which they all did.

I agree with...
To me growing up just means having to make difficult decisions, rather you choose wrong or right. You can still grow up and act immaturely at times. Really growing up is learning from your mistakes and I think Buffy and Willow both did that, so did Anya and Xander. Buffy leaving Spike, Willow going away to England, and Xander realizing he wasn't ready and Anya having learn how to deal with real pain. Imean they went through a lot of serious shit...maybe you have to grow up a little.

By the end of the season they all come to an understanding about what changes they need to make and they've realized the error of their ways.

Xander realizes he should have been honest with Anya from the beginning about his reservations about their marriage. He tries to make amends and see if there's a way they can work it out, but she doesn't want to go back to just dating. Either way, Xander has still grown up cause he's learned he needs to think things through more and be honest with the people he loves and with himself.

Buffy finally realizes that taking care of Dawn doesn't just mean shielding her from the world, but showing her the world. Not just sticking her with a babysitter but spending time with her and being the sister, friend, and role model that Dawn needs. She also has given up her unhealthy relationship with Spike, despite the feelings she does have for him.

Season 7, the first episode in fact, is basically a showcase of how much they've all grown.

Willow has spent the summer in England with Giles learning to accept that the powers she has inside her will always be there, but learning how to control them and not let them control her. The very fact that she was able to come back from such a dark place and try to get help shows how stong she is and that she's grown up a lot. She's still grieving over Tara's death, trying to get over a strong addiction, facing the guilt of the horrible things she's done, and not knowing if she'll even be welcome back home by her friends. Yet, she's staying strong and determined and all throughout the season she shows that she's being a lot more careful with her magic and that she's learned from all her mistakes.

Buffy is teaching Dawn how to fight and letting her be a part of the things she used to hide from her. She's more involed in Dawn's life and even takes a part-time job at the high school to keep an eye on things and make sure she's safe, even though she is still working at the Doublemeat Palace and has her Slayer duties as well. Buffy has also come to accept that whether she wanted it or not, she's alive. She had to overcome the loss of being ripped out of Heaven, and has finally learned to enjoy life again.

Dawn has also grown up. She isn't as whiny anymore and isn't getting herself kidnapped everytime she leaves the house. She's still a teenager and makes mistakes, but compared to her character in Season 5, she has clearly matured quite a bit.

Xander finally got a steady and decent job, bought a new car, and has been looking out for Buffy and Dawn. He still loves Anya, but he's trying to move on while still having to see her on a pretty regular basis. Even though it's hard for him being the only one without any superpowers, he keeps fighting and does everything he can to keep everyone together and diffuse fights and keep everyone going.

They all still make mistakes of course, cause not matter how old you get, you're gonna screw up sometimes. But from where they started in the beginning of Season 6, it's evident they've all grown up a lot.
 
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I never said that they wouldn't, however if it's about becoming an adult, then they should be making good decisions by the end of it. Which they don't.
These examples come from both the end of S6 and the beginning/middle of S7.
- Buffy ends the relationship with Spike, builds a better bond with Dawn (yes, it can be argued that this tapers off mid-S7, but it is true that Buffy trusts her more and gives her more responsibility), APOLOGIZES to Dawn, etc.
- Willow goes to England to accept her punishment, is serious about her rehab, trains herself to control her magic, comes back to Sunnydale even though she is afraid to face her friends..
- Dawn perhaps has the biggest transformation..from a whiny, immature klepto to the young woman she is in S7. "Potential" showcases this nicely.
- Anya regresses a little out of grief, but by the middle of S7 is more mature than she's ever been, she's independent and learning how to be just Anya.
- Xander comes to terms with his place in the unit...he is the observer, because it's all he can be, but he finally embraces this. Also he realizes that his greatest power is his love (which he uses to stop Willow from destroying the world.) He learns a lot and grows a lot.



Then the season isn't about them growing up. It's about them screwing up because they aren't yet grown ups. And they still haven't learned anything, because even in the seventh season they're making horribly stupid decisions.
I know plenty of adults who make stupid decisions. People make mistakes all the time. People, even adults, have errors of judgment all the time. That doesn't mean that no one is an adult unless they are perfect.
 
i thought it was pretty evident throughout the series,thats why a lot of people could relate to the show and the characters, thats 7 yearss as feeling of growing up as they did.
 
This was one of the reasons I'm not really big on Season 6. I know they had to grow up eventually but it just all of a sudden seemed to take a slightly depressing turn

Well, yeah, but can't it be? When you're used to certain things, then those things are suddenly gone and you're forced to take on adult responsibilities before you're ready - ouch.

Buffy dealt with it decently, at least enough to keep her little family together by the end of the series. Plus, saving the world at the same time.

It's hard to blame her for taking the DMP job, too. What "real world" skills did she have? What other job could she take, really? If she had a big fancy high paying job, they wouldn't tolerate her constant leaving very well. Maybe a burger joint wouldn't either, but being fired from DMP wouldn't be as bad as being fired from a 'real' job.

Plus those hats were just so adorable..
 
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