Has Veronica Mars Jumped the Shark? (Spoilers for UK)

Thanks. So Veronica's birthday is in late summer-early fall? Assuming that is so, and if she turned 18 last year, that theoretically makes her older than her typical classmates, who would be turning 18 this year.

Buffy celebrated her 18th birthday in "Helpless", which was supposed to take place in the latter part of her senior year.
 
Trying to get this timeline in order. Only problem is it revolves around an American school year and thats different to ours so im a bit fuzzy.

Logan is arrested at the end of season one, but its not the very end of the school year, must be pretty close to it. It is stated that he missed all his finals, so can anyone help me out here? Some kind of date, month?

Six weeks after he is arrested he is cleared of the charge. So add six weeks to whatever date is decided above. He is stated as attending summer school ebcause of his missed finals, is there a period of time summer school runs for (eg the whole of july) or is it for the whole three months or summer?

Anyway during Logan's summer school he, Dick and Cassidy seemingly set fire to a communal pool. I'd imagine it was not long after that when Veronica broke up with him, she seemed to be reaching her limits when he set the pool on fire which was after a summer school day.

Then "weeks later" (her words) it was her birthday and she and Duncan hooked up again. However I've watched the scene a few times hoping for some clues on when it was but nada. So if someone can help me with the months we can probably pinpoint it but I'd imagine it would be the start of when you can be a student.

In the UK your first school year is based on if you were born on or after September 1st. So if you were born Sept 1st you are the oldest in your year, if you are born August 31st you are the youngest. Is there a similar thing in the US? Because I'd imagine if it were the UK Veronica would be born say September 2nd, 3rd? Because schools go back the first week of September, and she was not back at school on her birthday.
 
Xander said:
Trying to get this timeline in order. Only problem is it revolves around an American school year and thats different to ours so im a bit fuzzy.
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It sounds like the U.K. age guidelines are different. I think the cutoffs vary somewhat from state to state, but typically the youngest members of a grade are born late in the year, like November. I'm pretty sure from what I've heard from my sister in California that the cutoff in that state is December 1. Her daughter was born November 22 and went into school almost entirely with children who were born earlier in the year than she was.

The rules aren't rigid of course, there are exceptions.
 
well in the US ya school is deffinatly different.

17-18 senior year
16-17 junior year
15-16 sophmore year
14-15 freshmen year
13-14 8th grade
12-13 7th grade
11-12 6th grade
10-11 5th grade
9-10 4th grade
8-9 3rd grade
7-8 2nd grade
6-7 1st grade
5-6 kindergarden

that is usually the age for those grades, but you have people who fail a grade, who skip a grade, start early, start late.

And usually 2 1/2 months off during Summer. I dont think that Summer school runs for the entire summer, atleast here it doesnt. You take the classes you failed for like 4-5 weeks then get it over with.

Ofcourse states are also different since you have some states that start school in july,august, others in september and even some in october.
 
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eponinethen
Thanks for this, I've always wondered and never really got it :)
Hmm there was a Rob Thomas webchat the other day, shame we didn't think to ask. Wonder if someone did, still not gotten (is that a word? looks weird) round to watching.

I don't think we're going to be able to figure out an exact date, but I'd imagine it would be late August/early September? That sound reasonable? Maybe she was bumped up a year as she is supposed to be super smart.
 
[Whedonesque] (SPOILER) My next Buffy person would be Seth Green

says Veronica Mars' Rob Thomas in the second part of this iFMagazine interview. Part one has Rob talking about emailing Joss about fan phenomena (contains spoilers for the latter half of Veronica Mars season two).

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Jeez, I hope this one isn't a sign of things to come. It's on a religion and pop culture blog so take it with a grain of salt.

Ever since I've been a Buffy fan I've noticed Charmed fans like to turn up on Buffy fansites and indulge in a little jealous sniping. It's been an entirely different thing with Veronica Mars though. VM seems to be accepted by Buffy fans, and even embraced. It doesn't insult the intelligence like say, oh I don't know, Charmed does.

Here's someone who seems to want to create a rift between VM and Buffy fans though.

Tuesday, April 11, 2006
"Veronica Mars": It's No "Buffy"--At Least Not Yet
Tonight, "Veronica Mars"--the show that features a crafty, high school girl P.I.--moves to its new UPN time slot, 9 p.m. What has me excited is the potential implied in the title of this episode: "I am God."

I fully admit to becoming a Veronica Mars "convert" during this second season. I'm in good company, too, since famous fans like Joss Whedon and Stephen King have voiced lavish praise for the show and its writers. Each week, as the latest episode comes to a close, I am eager to see the previews of next week's scenes--yet I'm always left with the feeling that something is missing from the series as a whole.

There's no doubt that "Veronica Mars" has become the new show of choice for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" fans--which is no surprise, given the similarity of its star, Kristen Bell, to Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) both in terms of looks and ability to fire off punchy, sarcastic dialogue throughout each fast-paced episode. But the characters of "Buffy" had a clear sense of a higher calling in this world and potentially the next--not just Buffy herself as the "chosen one" whose destiny was to protect the world from demons and vampires, but also the show's other vampire characters, who struggled with their longing to kill while at the same time desiring to do good. "Veronica Mars" and its characters, on the other hand, lack soul and an overall moral compass.

For "Buffy" fans, the show's popularity was not just due to the literal vampires-with-souls set-up; it was the fact that the show itself aspired to explore a higher meaning of life and purpose in the world.

Week after week, "Veronica Mars," without fail, delivers incredible, snappy dialogue from all its quirky characters, yet there still is an emptiness behind these words and conversations. Veronica is a person to whom friends and foes alike come for help, and who always offers that help, even if reluctantly so, in much the same way Buffy patroled for vamps night after night instead of going out dancing with her friends. Yet fans never see that same sense of a higher calling from Veronica, which Buffy had as core to her character. And while on "Buffy," we saw tremendous character development in Xander, Willow, Spike, and even popular girl Cordelia, on "Veronica Mars" we see a steady stream of rich boys who only seem out for themselves, an ethic of selfish laziness and apathy that never seems to change. Funny, sarcastic dialogue and a cool high school setting can only take "Veronica Mars" so far, and for this fan, that sense of emptiness I'm left with each week is starting to become a let down.

So I'm hanging my hopes on tonight's episode, "I am God," which has Veronica seeing visions. I am hoping that the show's writers might begin to add some much-needed deeper layers to Veronica's character and the show as a whole.

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http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/idolchatter/2006/04/veronica-mars-its-no-buffy-at-least.html
 
Yeah I read that, the writer doesn't seem to get that Veronica simply doesn't have a higher calling, this isn't a fantasy show. She is a person, doing what people (generally) do, what they feel is right.

Was also musing over the idea that rich boys are Veronica Mars' version of vampires but I think that was just abstract teeth-brushing craziness.
 
nerd4hire
nerd4hire
I get it. :D
OK, so I've seen almost all of VM Season Two now, and I wanna take back my suggestion it may have jumped the shark. It got good again- not Season 1 standards yet IMHO, but still better than most of the other stuff out there.

BTW I think the finale is on tonight.
 
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Schillaci
Ya, it had a dip earlier on, but it has definitely picked up
I saw the finale of Season 2 last night. I'll avoid dropping any spoilers but I will say I was a bit put out by it. Violence at the end aplenty, the level seemed a bit uncharacteristic.

It did seem as though Charisma Carpenter's recurring role as Kendall Casablancas will continue in one way or another, although what's really going went by me.

Beyond her, what I'd really like to know is who among the present suite of characters is going to continue on into next season (assuming the show is renewed) now that the days at Neptune High School are over.
 
watcher1006 said:
Beyond her, what I'd really like to know is who among the present suite of characters is going to continue on into next season (assuming the show is renewed) now that the days at Neptune High School are over.
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I'll put this in spoilers just in case (they of course refer to the finale)

I assume Logan, at least at first, will be Veronica's boyfriend, maybe even enrol in college himself but I see him just getting a job instead. Not that he actually needs one. Aaron's assets were unfrozen, and thus will now go to Logan. Maybe he'll be a Logan of Leisure.

I hope Dick comes back, no idea doing what but who didn't love the ass-slapping scene? Mac is going to Hearst along with Veronica and Wallace. Jackie is gone I do believe. And Keith will continue to worry about Veronica and her safety, while nearly being injured himself. Plus new characters, maybe reappearances from the AD-kids.

And the finale wasn't that violent. It was a violent situation, but the actual violence was minimal. Considering the reasoning for the bus-crasher I wouldn't say its uncharacteristic.
 
Xander said:
And the finale wasn't that violent. It was a violent situation, but the actual violence was minimal. Considering the reasoning for the bus-crasher I wouldn't say its uncharacteristic.
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Well okay, maybe violent wasn't the right word
although I was a bit taken aback at the scene of Aaron Echolls being shot, and the plane blowing up in the sky (not that I really believed Keith was dead.) I was surprised at the Beaver revelation and his subsequent fate.
Maybe all just a touch melodramatic? It was, I suppose, a finale after all.

I think I liked last season's more.
 
I liked Aaron's death. A blacked out figure with a gun pointed outwards. Cut to the TV and a splatter of blood against the happy image onscreen. Come on, what could be more noir than that?
 
Okay, good point. Maybe I'll like the end of Aaron Echolls' story more thinking about it in days to come. Yes, very noir.

I'm more dubious about the plane blowing up in the sky. That still feels kind of comic-bookish.

BTW about the Echolls, I hope we'll still get to see Trina again.

Did you have any inkling about Beaver? I for sure did not.
 
If Rob Thomas has his thinking boots on, he'll get Alyson, Kristen, and Jason (and maybe more) in a bit early to film a funeral scene as a flashback before Alyson has to work on HIMYM. Or even arguing over why Logan doesn't want to go to the funeral or something. Hell I just want Alyson/Trina back!

Ooh actually, in the season two premiere Logan mentioned Trina trying to option the story as long as she plays herself. The Tinsletown Diaries seemed to be a documentary, whereas I hope Trina now gets a film made. There was a poll a while ago on TV Guide I think asking who should play Aaron in the film. I'd love it if they did do it.
 
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