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Have you seen the first evil?

Have you seen the first evil?
In the last couple of episodes we have witness the way the first evil had divide the scoobies up,
turn them against each other, we haven't witness that behavior since "the yoko factor. But have you seen the first evil? I believe we had. We all had. There once was a time when we could all discuss the entire episode rationally. Compare note on what we saw and didn't see. Without getting into a agreement
But lately we have all, been divide, just as the scoobies were in "The Yoko factor" and he turn them against one another like what is about to happen in this season. We have been divide in two camps Spike vs. Xander But it has always been that way, but lately it seem to become worst, just as Spike and Xander relationship on screen have, Have you notice the comparison? It was done that way on purpose. By doing so we can not openly discuss 3 to 4 episode from last season without going into a Xander vs. Spike or Buffy-vs. Spike , he did or he didn't debate. I came to realize (or rather it's my theory)

That season 4 thru 7 not only have an arc, but a running theme
::noangel:

-Season 4 "speak no evil". People were not really saying what they truly felt. Willow was bother by people not taking her serious, Giles felt like he wasn't needed, Xander felt useless, Spike was lonely etc.

But none of them were saying how they truly felt. Everyone was "Restless" [Hush]


-Season 5 Hear no evil". No one was listening to what was being said. The knight tells Buffy, that the key is too dangerous to be allowed to exist in any form. Tara tells Willow she was using too much magic. Dru tell Spike that the chip doesn't work, Anya told Xander of her need to get marry, Riley told Buffy she keep shutting him out. Spike tell Buffy she keep letting him in, (into her house, that is) Riley tells everyone he wants to lock Xander in the room and experiment on him. But no one hears him or anyone for that matter. [the Body] ::nopity:: ::crying2:





Season 6 "See no evil" We do not see anything, we never saw Xander summons the demon "Sweet". We never "saw" Spike getting the demon eggs, we never "saw" Buffy actually being pull from heaven. We never "Saw" how Spike got to Africa. We never saw what the nerds did with the diamond. We never saw Anya becoming a vengeance demon again. (Note: we never saw her amulet in 6) We never saw Spike go into Buffy house before the incident, nor did we see him leave after the incident. We never saw what Dawn was up to, when Spike couldn't find her. We never saw anything, and what we did see, we turn away from.

::grrr:: :: red dev :: fantom

You see the first evil has got to us too, made us turn away, made us doubt what we know about the character on the show and there back story. The first evil made us turn on each other. There are a couple of episodes we need to watch over again ignoring the offending parts (the AR incident, eggs etc) and examine what else is going on.





















The episodes in question are as follow:





As you were
hell bell

Entropy

Seeing red



There are a couple of things I notice that might play out in season 7.

-Entropy- We see Xander at his home /bar (not sure which) But as he leaves , we see Anya watching him go. he arrives at their apartment only to discover "Anya" waitng there to talk to him.

-Seeing Red- someone notice Spike had a reflection.

-Dawn-means new beginning. We are going back to the beginning.

What have you notice, that others might have missed?







These four episode need to be watch and re watch over and over again. because I think this season we will hear it, they will Speak it and we will see it all.






:: red dev
 
Hmmm very interesting theory, but you forgot to mention the Lessons theory. It was posted in another thread, that everybody was learing lessons,

Anya did vengeance and D'Hofryn did vengeance on her
Buffy the sexual aggressor under a spell, as Spike was a sexual aggressor/soulless demon in "SR"
Dawn ...
Spike ...
Willow skinned Warren, and got skinned by the Gnarl demon
Xander who loves Anya, now see thing from Buffy point of view over killing Angel, when Buffy tried to kill Anya

not everybody yet.

They all did evil, and evil got done to them!
 
Your right this year they will Speak::fire:: ,we will hear it::bat:: and we will see it in all::cd:: ::skull::


But I have a scary thought, 😕 How will Clem fit into all of this? Could he be a nice demon:: red :: , or :: red dev ?
 
the first evil teaches my history class....she's such a punk bitch...
she even got the same haircut...short...almost to scalp
 
I think I understand your theory Spike's Princess.

Are you saying the characters of Buffy have been battling the symptoms of evil and refusing to see the disease--that being the first, or the source of evil, and because of this ignorance conflicts rooted from the source are allowed to develop.

If so can we see season 7 as the season when the source of evil will finally be faced and vanquished.

So far Season 7 does seem to have a strong face to face, black and white, good versus evil theme.
 
Originally posted by Spike's Princess
But I have a scary thought, 😕 How will Clem fit into all of this? Could he be a nice demon:: red :: , or :: red dev ?
CLEM!!!!! i love him...hes probably going to be GOOD and FUNNY like he always has been...sooooo cute!!!
 
Does anyone know how many hours of makeup that the guy has to sit through in order to become Clem? Maybe that's why we haven't seen much of Clem this season. He needs to come back! He might be the key to defeating the First.
 
Originally posted by slay_errr
Does anyone know how many hours of makeup that the guy has to sit through in order to become Clem? Maybe that's why we haven't seen much of Clem this season. He needs to come back! He might be the key to defeating the First.

How he could be the key to defeating the First?
 
I think that wasn't ment serious! slay_errr was just making a point that he/she wants Clem back, and I think he/she is also bright enough to see that Clem is just a comic relief character with no actual contribution to the shows plot!
 
nerd4hire wrote:

I think I understand your theory Spike's Princess.

Are you saying the characters of Buffy have been battling the symptoms of evil and refusing to see the disease--that being the first, or the source of evil, and because of this ignorance conflicts rooted from the source are allowed to develop.

If so can we see season 7 as the season when the source of evil will finally be faced and vanquished.

So far Season 7 does seem to have a strong face to face, black and white, good versus evil theme.

Finally! someone understands😀 The first evil return has been set up for for a while . A lot of people hated season 6, but we were set up to Hate season 6. People where divide over the demon eggs issues, Anya and Xander issues and the AR issues, We were divided, like the scoobies are being divided now. 😱
But all the lost ends are going to be tie up in a little tight bundle by the end of season 7.



I think that wasn't ment serious! slay_errr was just making a point that he/she wants Clem back, and I think he/she is also bright enough to see that Clem is just a comic relief character with no actual contribution to the shows plot!

Wasn't it?😱 Clem Was the one who sent Spike to the demon to get a soul. Spike told Riley that the demon eggs might belong to his friends who stay there from time to time (do not want to discuss the demon egg issue, just stating a fact)
Clem told Buffy that he stays at spike's place from time to time.
We saw Clem at Xander's wedding, he came alone.
Question: who invited him?
Clem is shown as spike's friends yet, Xander didn't invite Spike (spike crashed) so who invited Clem? Anya or Xander?

It been stated on other boards that Clem is not just comic relief and that he would be returning around sweeps .
I not saying Clem is good or evil, I saying he's return will be to tie up another loose end.
 
Maybe, but I still think we should see him more as what whistler was for Angel, the down-to-earth guy, who actually is a god, and who knows whats to happen, but can mandle in ... Hey guys it's your battle, but ... you know he drops his shoulder, right? ... the guy who stands at the side of the gamefield, looks, laughs and say what will be up next. Actually he is the guy, who ressembles the fact, that the writers allready know how they will blow the candle, how they will end the story, so in that way, he is more then a comic relief, but he's not actually in the plot. As I said, he stands at the side, looking. You can't defeat the First by killing him, he's not your secret weapon, he's just the a messenger of the gods, the fingerprints of the writers on the story.
 
where was Clem first spotted?was he conjured up or he just appear?
i only saw some ep of season 6 so i was not really sure...can someone enlighten me?
 
Originally posted by Zing Halliwell
where was Clem first spotted?was he conjured up or he just appear?
i only saw some ep of season 6 so i was not really sure...can someone enlighten me?

Didnt we first see Clem in S5? When they were dealing kitties 😀
 
Maybe in the episode when the SIT first arrived, when Buffy was dreaming she was talking to her mother, the second time, when she was saying,"Evil is in our nature. Nothing can stop it, not even..."---and then she got cut off cuz Buffy woke up.

Maybe she was going to say CLEM!
 
Clem was invited to the wedding by Xander. In "Hell's Bells," you can see, by an overhead view, that Clem was sitting on the groom's side, surrounded by the rest of Xander's family. Why haven't we seen Clem this season? Maybe Clem will be Dawn's watcher? Now, that I would like to see! Or, maybe Principal Wood is really Clem in disguise. We haven't seen Clem at all, but here comes Wood. What is up with that? Or, maybe Principal Wood is Clem. Maybe Clem went to the same creature that Spike went to and asked it to make him human and normal looking. Hopefully that isn't the case because Clem as Clem with all of the skin was great. The only way to test that is to offer Wood a bucket of chicken.
 
Originally posted by The BortiiS
Maybe in the episode when the SIT first arrived, when Buffy was dreaming she was talking to her mother, the second time, when she was saying,"Evil is in our nature. Nothing can stop it, not even..."---and then she got cut off cuz Buffy woke up.

Maybe she was going to say CLEM!

Nah she was going to say Faith 😉
 
Maybe she was going to say "Wood"! ... though I actually think it's more along the lines of "me" or "us". Maybe Clem was principal Wood in disguise ... maybe Clem died hundreds of years ago and maybe the First morphed into him, to keep an eye on the Scoobies ... ok, no I'm really drifting away!
 
Clem will make an appearance in Ep 12 when the Buffy and the SITs visit a demon bar. Read off of Wendy's Spoilers
 
Back on topic ... I think we may have seen the First, he was in Willows body and just before some ghost thing jumped out, maybe that was the true appearance of the First. Here's a screencap:

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