Heroes - Spike & Anya

^I agree.... everyone had their heroic moment in Chosen.
Willow, Faith, Dawn, Xander, Giles, Wood, Buffy, Spike, Anya, and so on.
They were all brave, but Anya and Spike died along with some newmade slayers.
 
Anya, as a hero kinda developed later on though the same with Spike even before he got his soul.
In SE3 she didn't runoff she stayed with Xander and in S5 she helped fight Glory then died fighting in S7. It showed her progression as a character and how what she did was heroic.

Spike, act was more heroic. Spike stayed there like Airam said. He like Buffy gave up his life to save the world.
 
Spuffy78 said:
In SE3 she didn't runoff she stayed with Xander.
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Actually she did run away in S3. She just went to Xander to convince him to run away with her. Xander, being the loyal friend, rejected her offer and decided to stay and fight with his friends.
 
scobro said:
Just depends on how you view it; I see it as his wanting to escape, as would be par with his character, and you (and others) see it as wanting to be a hero. His actions during one season of Angel proved to be more 'heroic' than his actions on Buffy.
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The ONLY bit of intelligence Buffy and Co. have is that the Amulet MIGHT help in the fight and it MUST be worn by a Champion.
At what stage does that make Spike think 'ahoy hoy, heres me chance to run and hide like a good lil chimney sweep'?
This is his ultimate moment of redemption. He is fighting the fight, no idea what he has to do but when it becomes clear he doesn't think 'Ohh, right, heres my out' no, he realises that he has to do this to save the world.
If you see anything less than heroism, I feel sad for you because obviously you've missed the point entirely and there is no way any decent argument will convince you otherwise.
This was Spikes ultimate heroic sacrifice, one that is brutally taken away from him by a silly initial storyline in Angel.

scobro said:
So? what does that matter to me? I dont need to be spoon-fed (no offense to the member of the same name!) what I am supposed to see and feel. I asked how YOU can explain it as being heroic, not how Drew explained it. I just fail to see heroism in his actions.
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While you 'obviously' don't need things to be spoon-fed to you, you cannot so easily dismiss the 'artists' interpretations because they conflict with your own.

On the contrary, you may see something else BUT that does not negate the message that was meant to be there. To totally dismiss that devalues the point being made and makes the whole thing pointless.

scobro said:
mmm.. and I am sure news reporters understand the news the best.
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This is absolutely THE most absurd comparison I have ever seen on these boards.

There is no similarity between News Reporters taking a piece of news and writing an article on it while a writer takes a work of fiction and evolves that piece of fiction to create a story.

When there is a piece of News there are generally ways to verify the authenticity of the piece which gives us the power to form a proper opinion.
When we are talking about a work of FICTION, all we have is the writers versions and the intent.

You cannot equate the 2 as the same because they are different.

Had you used your artists and artwork metaphor you MIGHT have had a leg to stand on, but this comment is completely pointless.
 
In my humble opinion both Spike and Anya were heroes. As has been previously mentioned in this thread - they knew the risks yet went anyway. All of the people knew what the risks where that day - they knew that some of them would die and accepted that 100%.

The potentials, Anya and Spike were all heroic in their own way. The potentials because even though they were scared and felt under powered prior to Willow casting her spell knew the significance of what they were doing that day.

Anya - she had had plenty of chances to leave Sunnydale and didn't. Again, she knew there was a huge risk that she'd not survive and if it hadn't of been for one of the Big Bad's minions creeping up behind her she'd of probably survived too - again, she knew the significance of the day and although she was a demon she was fighting for the Human Race - not because she had to, but because she wanted to and for her death to be pointless as Joss put it, no, I don't think it was pointless. It would have been rather silly had everyone survived the fight - people die in wars each and every day - they make the ultimate sacrifice and they do it willingly.

Spike - again it's been mentioned previously - someone had to wear the medallion and as Angel wasn't there to do it, Spike was the obvious choice - no-one else could have worn it with the possible exception of Buffy. I think that he knew from the start of the fight that he wasn't going to make it out in one piece and when the shaft of light hits him and he says 'Oh bugger!' I think he knew then that his card had been marked and he wasn't leaving. He then had no choice but to accept his fate and in the end he almost enjoyed it (I think) - 'I want to see how this ends' he says seconds before he burns up - again - he sacrificed himself to make sure the job got done and the Big Bad was driven back into it's hole.

As a side point - when Buffy and Spike were holding hands and he tells her to leave after she tells him that she loves him, Spike could have left then - the damage had been done - the cavern and indeed the whole of Sunnydale was about the become a huge crater in the desert no matter whether he'd stayed or not.

My question here though is would Spike have been able to make it to the safety of the bus? Or was there another way he could have escaped with his undead life intact? We all know it was broad daylight when the Scoobies, Faith et all made their escape - if Spike had left either with Buffy or just seconds behind her where would he have gone?

My answer to my own last question is no-where - either way he was going to die, but I'm interested in hearing your theories on this subject if you'd care to reply of course.
 
And run to where Dru? It was broad day light and if you've seen Chosen then you know all that was left of Sunnydale was a huge hole in the ground.

Where could have he ran to?
 
she did, she wasnt there for Xander, she didnt fight by his side... she really did care and i think wanted to go out in the fight, but sub consciously.

i think Andrew was amazing because he had took it as a given that he would die, and is astonished that he didnt.
 
Yup... But also admirering that he still fought. He could have ran like a chicken, but he stayed, with the thought that he wouldn't make it anyway
 
oh yeah there was never a run away option with him, and i never thought he would, he was very honourable and showed us again, like with Xander, you can be normal and a hero.
 
Yeah... I mean, I think he had the chance to get away, they couldn't use him much after Storyteller. But he wanted to stay. He wanted to help. GO ANDREW!

Anyway....Back to topic 😉
 
Fake Shemp said:
i think Andrew was amazing because he had took it as a given that he would die, and is astonished that he didnt.
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Which brings me to my point: Everybody who sided with Buffy and went fighting in Chosen was a hero. Buffy, Xander, Willow, Giles, Spike, Anya, Dawn, Andrew, Wood, Faith and the potentials. All are heroes.
 
To reiterate they were both heros yada yada. I think for Anya what really made it for me was the conversation she had with Andrew the night before when they are getting supplies at the hospital. I always loved that scene and then the wheel chair fight. So good.
 
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