Hot Topic: Would Faith have made a good part of the AI team?

If she was the leader, yes. Faith is at her best when she's a leading character, not a supporting one.
 
Instead of Spike, yes!
Don't think it would have worked with both of them, they fill a similar role.
Would have been interesting to see the dynamic between Faith & Fred/Illyria.
Although Faith being a permanent feature could be hard for Wesley.
Think she would be wary of the WR&H links though?
 
Last Watcher said:
Instead of Spike, yes!
Don't think it would have worked with both of them, they fill a similar role.
Would have been interesting to see the dynamic between Faith & Fred/Illyria.
Although Faith being a permanent feature could be hard for Wesley.
Think she would be wary of the WR&H links though?
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I see your point, but then I enjoyed the tension between the pair on Buffy so would have liked more of that. Also, since Faith changed a bit as a character then it could have worked. Of course Angel did establish its own characters so I wouldn't want too many Buffy characters getting in the way of that.

I love Faith as a character, but in many ways I think she makes more impact as a supporting character. So its a no for me.
 
Not as Angel's subordinated employee, that would lead to exploitation and manipulation. Faith would need to overcome her daddy issues first, then she could be a good corrective to Angel's megalomaniac tendencies as an equal or even better, as his boss.
 
I think that was a means to an end. He would have rather she stayed there.
She tortured him badly & I think long term exposure to each other would open old wounds (so to speak), although if well written
the dynamic between the two could be quite interesting
 
She would have suffered the same fate as Spike. When you take three-dimensional ancillary character and thrust them into the spotlight and expect the 8 or 9 episode good character to maintain it's freshness when stretched over 22 episodes. No, she would not have worked on team AI. She would have worked as recurring character though; as Spike should have been.

A 22 episode a season Faith character would be totally, and tonally! different than the supporting character on Buffy. Just as Gunn became a "different" character when he became part of the cast from when he started.
 
Mr. Pole said:
She would have suffered the same fate as Spike. When you take three-dimensional ancillary character and thrust them into the spotlight and expect the 8 or 9 episode good character to maintain it's freshness when stretched over 22 episodes. No, she would not have worked on team AI. She would have worked as recurring character though; as Spike should have been.

A 22 episode a season Faith character would be totally, and tonally! different than the supporting character on Buffy. Just as Gunn became a "different" character when he became part of the cast from when he started.
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I wouldn't say that Spike moving over to Angel, or becoming a main on Buffy harmed his popularity though. A lot of people still like the character that he became, he's still really popular.
 
Last Watcher said:
Instead of Spike, yes!
Don't think it would have worked with both of them, they fill a similar role.
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If it can't be both then I'd rather have Spike.

Mr Trick said:
I see your point, but then I enjoyed the tension between the pair on Buffy so would have liked more of that. Also, since Faith changed a bit as a character then it could have worked. Of course Angel did establish its own characters so I wouldn't want too many Buffy characters getting in the way of that.
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I think Angel could've done with some more Buffy characters, my favourite episodes were the crossover ones. I would've like to see the Whirlwind on Angel in present day so that there is a constant tug/pull for Angel between his past (the Whirlwind) and his present/future (AI team).

faithyyyyyyyy said:
I wouldn't say that Spike moving over to Angel, or becoming a main on Buffy harmed his popularity though. A lot of people still like the character that he became, he's still really popular.
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Agreed. I do think his storyline could've gone a bit differently though.
 
Yeah, but Angel was originally a Buffy character as was Cordy, and you had others making cameo appearances. I think it was important to mark out the differences between the two shows.
 
faithyyyyyyyy said:
I wouldn't say that Spike moving over to Angel, or becoming a main on Buffy harmed his popularity though. A lot of people still like the character that he became, he's still really popular.
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I never said it harmed his popularity, just his character. He went from a well-developed three-dimensional complex character to a one-note character. The same would have happened to Faith. The lead characters were all archetypical. Doesn't mean they were not popular... just they didn't really have any depth.
 
Assuming that we're talking about Faith in Season 5, after the destruction of Sunnydale and the Hellmouth, so...

As a regular character, I don't think that it would have worked. Despite her faith in and friendship with Angel, she would still be wary of Wolfram & Hart from her previous dealings with them. As a recurring character, yes, I think that she would have done fine on the show. It could have been established that Faith was leading a team of her own, maybe two or three young Slayers and a magic user or Watcher as adviser, stationed in the Southern California area to keep tabs on the aftermath of Buffy's final battle (there actually was, apparently, a team of Slayers assigned to LA, as was shown in the "After The Fall" arc) . That way, it would be probable that the respective teams would cross paths occasionally, and one team might even call on the other for support once in awhile, like in the Season finale.

I, personally, would have loved to see Faith and Spike team up occasionally. I think that they would make a great team, and if that "hungry and horney" issue of Faith's should happen to come up... Well, they're both adults and deserving of some not so innocent fun on occasion, and they're both realists enough to recognize the difference between recreation and commitment. ( and, if Buffy should happen to show up unexpectedly, "two's company, but three's a night to remember.")
 
Yes I think she would have. Having a slayer on the team always helps, and being around Angel could help her stay on the right track in her redemption. Plus she seemed to get along with Gunn well. I always felt that Faith should have been in more episodes as well so it would have been cool to see more of her. Her and Spike together on the show would have been really cool in season five.
 
We all know who Faith regarded as her favourite person - Mayor Richard Wilkins III. He was a loving father figure to her, someone who would make demands and follow up with praise for her accomplishments or a directive to do something different (like not jumping on the bed) when he wanted something to change. Is there anyone in AI who would even vaguely resemble him or use his approach? Not the taciturn Angel who rarely had anything good to say. Certainly not Wesley, who she had tortured. Not Cordelia whose consuming narcissism was interrupted by the poverty that sent her to LA. Certainly Faith could have been of use to AI, but she was hired to assassinate its leader by Wolfram & Hart. His second in command, Wesley, had tried to get her killed on Buffy. It was surprising that she even considered taking part in any of their operations, but remember, she was a rare character - she only showed up in 20 episodes of Buffy and 6 episodes of Angel. Only a romance with Gunn (to replace the unlikely Frunn we got) would have been worthwhile.

The verdict? She could have been useful but I doubt there was any mutual trust, so I am not surprised she didn't join.
 
Mr. Pole said:
I never said it harmed his popularity, just his character. He went from a well-developed three-dimensional complex character to a one-note character. The same would have happened to Faith. The lead characters were all archetypical. Doesn't mean they were not popular... just they didn't really have any depth.
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That... Doesn't make any sense. Buffy is a one-note character? Wesley is a one-note character? Lead characters are archetypical, one-note characters, while the recurring characters are three-dimensional? That's backwards. Spike was an archetype when he was introduced in 'School Hard' - a typical passionate, fun-loving villain. A very good one, sure, but not especially complex. His complexity came over time, as we learned more about his psychology, and as he changed and gained layers. Same with Faith - in the beginning she was just the typical, cliched "bad girl", and she only gained her complexity over time. That's how it is with all characters - unless the writing turns to crap, characters always get deeper over time. Not the other way around.
 
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Buffy is a one-note character? Wesley is a one-note character?
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Nope, they weren't. And I never said they were. I never said the lead characters were "archetypical, one-note characters" only archetypical. I said when Spike went from being a complex supporting character to an archetype lead, he lost the depth he had, thus becoming one note. Same thing happened to Gunn. To get back on topic, the same thing would have happened to Faith and it would ruin the character.
 
Mr. Pole said:
Nope, they weren't. And I never said they were. I never said the lead characters were "archetypical, one-note characters" only archetypical. I said when Spike went from being a complex supporting character to an archetype lead, he lost the depth he had, thus becoming one note. Same thing happened to Gunn. To get back on topic, the same thing would have happened to Faith and it would ruin the character.
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Well then surely that means that people like one note characters seeing as Spike is very popular?
 
As much as I loved Spike in S5, I think his inclusion was wrong from the get go. His story had ended, and whilst this is a supernatural show, it felt inorganic to have him back so suddenly. It made his death in BtVS worthless.

I would feel the same about Faith. Her story was told in BtVS, she had come full circle in her story too and became a hero. Sure, I wouldn't have been opposed to her guest starring in a few episodes, but as a leading character? No. Not necessary for her, or for the AI team.
 
faithyyyyyyyy said:
Well then surely that means that people like one note characters seeing as Spike is very popular?
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Alot of people like McDonalds too, just I would prefer Ruth's Chris. There is nothing inherently wrong with McDonalds, though, it's just what best suits your palate.
 
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