How would have Joyce been

charmingslayer

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How would have Joyce been If Dawn never ripped her picture?

To me from the shadow we saw in Forever i'd say a Zombie
what do you guys think?
 
I think it's better that you had to use your own imagination, there's nothing scarier than what your own brain can conjure up!
 
Definetly a zombie. She was a fraky walking corpse. And Spike, i know he's evil but he HELPED Dawn with getting the spell stuff, what a sack.
But yeah, Joyce was messed up big time.
 
Ha. It is so funny that you JUST posted this, charmingslayer...because I literally JUST finished watching this epi again!

Im glad that they didnt have Joyce make it thru the door and have a real story of her being back. I think it would have turned out very badly...plus, it could have made Buffy coming back in the beg. of season 6 pretty lame bc it would have just been done a few episodes back...ya know?
 
Anyone ever read 'Pet Cemetery' by Stephen King? I kinda imagined her to come back as the people there. For those who didn't read the book...there was this cemetery where kids buried their dead pets and they came back alive. But then, some people also tried that with real dead people. And yes, they came back alive, but they were truely evil. That book was scary. And that's probably why I have projected the idea of the evil undead there to Buffy.
 
ItMustBeBunnies
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Yup Im a king girl! I totaly get what you mean!
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The Zelda scenes.. **shudder**
Airam
Airam
yeah i kinda had the fimls in the back of my mind a little when watching this ep.
The episode put me in mind of a short story we had to read in a high school Lit class, "The Monkey's Paw," where almost the exact situation occurred. I think that, like in that story, it's best left up to the individual's imagination as to exactly what would have walked into that room if Buffy hadn't destroyed the picture. It's interesting, though, that a resurrection spell existed that was so simple that a novice could perform it, but the one used to resurrect Buffy was so much more difficult and dangerous. That would seem to indicate that the results of the spell Dawn used would have been somewhat less than what Dawn really wanted. Maybe her spell only brought back the physical body without the soul, with the morals, or lack of them, of the average soulless vampire.
 
I like to think that she would've been Joyce, but considiring dawns experience iwth magic, I'd say a little less than a walking corpse
 
WA beat me to it with the Monkey's Paw theory. As that's how I always saw the episode too. In The Monkey's Paw, a couple's son dies and the mother, distraught, desperately says to wish him alive again with the paw though the father thinks it would be wrong and twisted. Yet, too overcome with grief, the Mother is hysterical and they make the wish. But when they hear the loud knock at the door, while the Mother scrabbles for the lock, the Father somehow feels in his gut that something is not right and scrabbles for the Paw and destroys it so when the Mother pulls open the door the Son is gone and no one is stood there.

It was a typical (and scary) Be Careful What You Wish For, along with the warning of when something seems too good to be true then it usually is. In that moment of Buffy weakening and just being a little girl again wishing to see her Mommy Dawn realized that things were never that simple- and that maybe it was better not knowing than knowing something horrible.

I mean, despite the fact that the knock was decidedly erm...zombieish, just like in the Monkey's Paw there was always the entire possibility that it had worked out completely fine, but Dawn, and the audience, don't want to take the risk of finding out that it DIDN'T turn out fine. Something in her told her that something wasn't quite right.

It was also a very poignent moment when Buffy does open the door to nothing. It captures that "after-effect" of death, when you haven't quite adjusted to the loss yet and you still think that person is going to walk through the door as always. But no matter how much you look, they're never there. And that was how it was then I think, that no matter how Buffy and Dawn each tried to deal, it didn't change anything and there's no one there at the door.
 
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awesome points!
Airam
Airam
your post gave me chills.
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chills, true....
WA beat me to it with the Monkey's Paw theory. As that's how I always saw the episode too. In The Monkey's Paw, a couple's son dies and the mother, distraught, desperately says to wish him alive again with the paw though the father thinks it would be wrong and twisted. Yet, too overcome with grief, the Mother is hysterical and they make the wish. But when they hear the loud knock at the door, while the Mother scrabbles for the lock, the Father somehow feels in his gut that something is not right and scrabbles for the Paw and destroys it so when the Mother pulls open the door the Son is gone and no one is stood there.



For those (probably few) who haven't read the story, the monkey's paw is a magic charm that grants its owner the prerequisite 3 wishes, but with a condition: You will get your wish, but always at a sacrifice. The couple's first wish was typical. Money. The next day, their son was killed in a very violent accident where he worked, leaving the couple as the beneficiary of his insurance policy.

The events from there on, as described above, are the part that apply to Dawn's attempt to resurrect her mother.

(I intended to summarize the story in my first post, then just forgot. Sorry about that.)
 
Ià¸m getting these weird creepy Zombie bombie feelings.

Imagine Zombie Joyce making breakfast. O.O
 
Zombie Joyce! I love a cool zombie as much as the next person, maybe even more, but I so didn't want to see Joyce walk thorugh that door.
 
I totally agree about the Monkey's Paw thing, that's how I viewed the episode too.

But I do think it's left up to the imagination. Joyce could have been completely fine. Or not. We'll never really know for sure.

I think this episode was so important for Dawn and Buffy to cope with their mother's death. Dawn was feeling shunted aside and alone; Buffy was feeling the weight of the world and as if she had to keep a mask of strength up. When she let that mask down, and the two sisters could be weak and sad together, it was a beautifully sad and important moment.
 
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