I don't like 'Once More, With Feeling'

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Everything is taken so literally on this site. Man, you guys could out geek Trekkies with Klingon outfits. I see Xander sitting around the magic shop, looking through some demon research book and reading about the demon in OMWF. So stupidly he says outloud, "wouldn't it be cool if this demon came to town or...... whatever, whaterver, whatever." Then he can't bring himself to admit his mistake until the end.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

Uncle Rory
PS. Anyone have a good line of Klingon outfits???
[br][/br]
Edit:
[br][/br]
I agree with Scobro. Xander wasn't the sharpest stake in the weapon chest. As for the truth theory, who apart from Buffy sang the truth? Spike saved Buffy from burning up, Sweet blamed Dawn for summoning him then Xander admitted it was his fault. When he sang "it might be witches" there is no indication that he even knew exactly what he had summoned. Remember that not all the books were 100% clear as to every detail of every demon. Remember "Aspect of fthe beast!!"

Uncle Rory

LOL I like taking things literaly. And I love looking way too into things. It's what I do. 🙂 Why do you think I like the Buffyverse so much? There's so much to analyze, interpret, and think about.
[br][/br]
Edit:
[br][/br]

Do the OMWF haters have an aversion to musicals in general, or is it just this particular musical that isn't doing it for you?

Well, I showed it to my boyfriend, and he didn't care much for it, although what else he's seen of the show he thinks is alright. I asked him this very question, and he said it was "nothing against" OMWF but he just didn't "like musicals". Yeah...

Ugh. Cleaning one's apartment is so boring...

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Exactly, that is why she manipulated him, to pull on his fatherly strings so he bent his will to her own. She played him, pure and simple. But then as soon as the musical number was over he caught onto her ruse.

Wooooaah, hold up there. I said "Before season six". Things were different for her after she came back. I don't see it as her manipulating him, so much as her expressing her hopelessness. She doesn't see beating the bad as a victory anymore. The others are singing about winning, she's singing about how it's never going to end. Even after death.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Wooooaah, hold up there. I said "Before season six". Things were different for her after she came back. I don't see it as her manipulating him, so much as her expressing her hopelessness.

She didnt have hopelessness but indifference, and that is exactly WHY she did manipulate him, because as long as he was in her life she didnt have to care. I know you said before season six, and she knew it too, thats why she played on it to get Giles to do all the things she should have been doing.

 

[fly on the wall]

God, I love this episode.
I might go watch it right now..


(Okay, so there's no valuable insight to my post. But oh well. 🙂)

 

[JCC]

Do the OMWF haters have an aversion to musicals in general, or is it just this particular musical that isn't doing it for you?

It's just this particular musical. Musicals are a tough business though, they are often incredibly lame. I liked Chicago.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

It's just this particular musical. Musicals are a tough business though, they are often incredibly lame. I liked Chicago.

I liked Chicago too. Many musicals aren't meant to be taken seriously. Many of them are obvious camp (like Hairspray), or sopposed to be satires (like Rocky Horror Picture Show).

But, there are some great classic musicals. Like Singing In The Rain, West Side Story, or The Wizard of Oz. Movies like High School Musical have kind of scared off many people in terms of musicals. In my opinion, musicals shoudn't have left the stage. They're much more entertaining live 🙂

Grease is playing here in Seattle in the Spring and I'm very excited.

 

[J. Ruby]

In that song Buffy's meaning was completely different to everyone else's though. She was meaning it from a very jaded, depressed place. The others were easily sucked in by it, but it took Giles longer than the rest because he's more insightful. I mean, if you think about it, before Season 6, Buffy would never have really talked about "weather"ing something.

I agree somewhat here. I always felt that Buffy's lines in the "If We're Together" song were somewhat sarcastic and cynical, and definitely indifferent. Less pep-talk, more "been there, done that." And later in "Walk Through the Fire," she says "I guess my friends can't face the cold" and Tara (I think) sings in the background "What can't we face?" I feel like they were echoing Buffy's true meaning behind her lines from "If We're Together." Don't know if that makes sense....

In keeping with the theme of this thread, OMWF is definitely one of my all-time favorite episodes of television. It was daring, it was well-done, and if you don't think it has a plot, you're not listening to the words.

P.S. I played the soundtrack to make sure I got the lyrics right in this post, and the part of "Walk Through the Fire" where Giles and Co. decide to go help Buffy ("We'll see it through, it's what we're always here to do....") totally gave me goosebumps and warm fuzzies. :heart:

 

[JCC]

I couldn't stand the lyrics, by the by. A couple of decent moments bogged down by clichés so clichéd that they saw themselves coming a mile away.

 

[Fusions2]

Its definitely one of the best episodes written on Buffy as not many TV shows have done musical episodes. For me personally Im not a big fan of it as Im not in to most musicals but some of the songs I do find catchy and great to sing along to but I don't watch the episode often.

 

[PurplePoof]

It's just this particular musical. Musicals are a tough business though, they are often incredibly lame. I liked Chicago.

But again, I think one expects when watching a musical that it's going to have a certain degree of "lameness"...afterall, it's difficult to take a piece of fiction where characters sporadically burst into song seriously...and even when dealing with serious subject matter, the very nature of musicals indicate it will be dealt with in a manner most would find appropriately cheesy.

 

[JCC]

But again, I think one expects when watching a musical that it's going to have a certain degree of "lameness"...afterall, it's difficult to take a piece of fiction where characters sporadically burst into song seriously...and even when dealing with serious subject matter, the very nature of musicals indicate it will be dealt with in a manner most would find appropriately cheesy.

How many pieces involving vampires have been successful and worthwhile ventures? From Dracula to Twilight, the modern vampire has been a fairly unanimous failure. Joss Whedon has managed to turn that around and I had faith in that little guy to make a television musical worthwhile.

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

How many pieces involving vampires have been successful and worthwhile ventures? From Dracula to Twilight, the modern vampire has been a fairly unanimous failure. Joss Whedon has managed to turn that around and I had faith in that little guy to make a television musical worthwhile.

I think what he meant was that a lot of people actually like the appropriate level of cheeseyness inherent in a musical. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just not to everybody's taste.

 

[JCC]

I think what he meant was that a lot of people actually like the appropriate level of cheeseyness inherent in a musical. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just not to everybody's taste.

It seemed a little more to me like we should forgive Whedon the cheesiness because a musical is a difficult thing to do, which it undeniably is, but I think that I've placed so much faith in Joss Whedon that he could build a skyscraper out of pak choi and I would still think that it was beneath him.

 

[PurplePoof]

How many pieces involving vampires have been successful and worthwhile ventures? From Dracula to Twilight, the modern vampire has been a fairly unanimous failure. Joss Whedon has managed to turn that around and I had faith in that little guy to make a television musical worthwhile.

Well, I think it was more than worthwhile, in fact it exceeded my expectations in spades...so I think most of us still have our faith. : king :

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

My initial experience with the musical was outright shock, and then delight. I hadn't heard of the musical at all, and so when I watched it I was like, "Huh?". Basically, for a television musical, I think it's good. I like it. Ok. Post done. Need to get off and do something else...

 

[Veyron]

OMWF is probably one of the best episodes of Buffy ever - and that's not just my opinion - there are hundreds, nay, thousands of people that would agree.

The episode itself is fairly weak as an episode of Buffy in the shows entirety, but as a single episode that's (almost) all singing and dancing it's one of the best of any show that's been made ever (and that is my opinion).

 

[BuffyElevated]

I am a huge musical fan... CaTs, Evita, The Phantom of the Opera, RENT, Hairspray, Grease.... So it was no wonder I was all exited about OMWF. I was prepared to love it just because it combined two of my favorite things- musicals and Buffy- but I was actually pleasantly surprised by the writing and performance. I didn't feel it was a "weak" ep at all... Like I've pointed out before, the episode is VERY deep if you forget about the fact that people are dancing around and sometimes singing about silly stuff to focus on the songs that actually lay out the plot.

 

[Alien]

I watched it through again a couple of days ago and decided that I think it's one of the weakest episodes of the entire series and is just a bit rubbish. Who's with me?!









Anyone?

I'm with you. I am not a musical fan and I too think this is one of the weakest episodes of the entire series, in my opinion anyway. Although for a musical it is one of the most enjoyable I have ever seen. Which for me is a real achievement. The only musical I like is moulin Rouge, because there is great acting, story and they can sing well. x

 

[PurplePoof]

Well, naturally if you don't like musicals it will be one of the weaker episodes for you...

 

[disturbedvanity]

Alright, so I already responded to this post stating that I thought OMWF was lame.

I have to retract that statement. I watched it last night again, and usually during season 6 I skip right over it, but I was drunk last night so decided to watch it.

I FREAKIN LOVED IT!!! First of all, I am finally appreciating the songs. Secondly, the story it tells is pretty imperative to the season arc and really made me grasp why the characters become the way they do.

After watching the regular version, I watched it with Joss's commentary and it made me enjoy it even more. So basically I just wanted to say I hadn't given it a fair enough chance before. I am not a fan of musicals, and maybe that's why. But I am so glad I didn't skip over it this time.

Hah, pointless post. Just thought I'd share 😛