io9's James Marsters interview

According to this article:

http://www.denofgeek.com/books-comics/26065/looking-back-at-joss-whedons-fray

In the paragraph directly below the 4th picture (Fray blasting Urkon)

It says, "During a history lesson which included the first slayer, Urkonn tells Fray that demons and magic were banished from 'this earthly dimension' by an unnamed slayer, whose fate remains a mystery. Although this didn’t really match up with the way in which Buffy saw out season seven (and then there was the comic books continuation), it was tantalising tease dropped into Fray, and one which cemented the book into the Buffy universe."

While that doesn't match up with the final battle in Season 7, the mention about "banishing magic from earth" does fit in with the final battle in Season 8, with the difference being that neither demons nor Slayer's army were banished in Season 8, hence my belief that the final battle in Season 8 was the final battle spoken of in "Fray," the change being that Buffy managed to avoid being "banished from this earth," presumably into another dimension, which sounds suspiciously like Twilight's, if Buffy had figured out a way to send the demons there instead of humans, along with herself, her friends, and all of the other Slayers.

If they are, indeed, the same battle, then existing canon was changed in Season 8 by not accepting Twilight's offer of a new universe or banishing all the demons, and by, eventually, restoring magic, which was proven to be necessary to keep order in Buffy's dimension. In the original version, with all the demons and all magic gone, and assuming that Willow would be one of the friends of the Slayer banished into another dimension, the chaos that Willow was able to avert in Season 9 would have been allowed to play out.

Assuming that that is the case, then the future that created Fray, though considered canon up to that point, might actually be interpreted as the anomaly that Buffy winning her battle set right once more. Correcting the time line wouldn't necessarily cause Fray and her reality to cease to exist, but it would probably cause changes, some great, some subtle, to occur. Of course, we'll never know for sure unless Joss decides to wright another Fray mini-series.

Yes, that is pure conjecture on my part, and I'm sure that there are people here just itching to tear it apart, but everything just fits together too well, in my opinion, to not be highly probable, if not true.
 
According to this article:

http://www.denofgeek.com/books-comics/26065/looking-back-at-joss-whedons-fray

In the paragraph directly below the 4th picture (Fray blasting Urkon)

It says, "During a history lesson which included the first slayer, Urkonn tells Fray that demons and magic were banished from 'this earthly dimension' by an unnamed slayer, whose fate remains a mystery. Although this didn't really match up with the way in which Buffy saw out season seven (and then there was the comic books continuation), it was tantalising tease dropped into Fray, and one which cemented the book into the Buffy universe."

While that doesn't match up with the final battle in Season 7, the mention about "banishing magic from earth" does fit in with the final battle in Season 8, with the difference being that neither demons nor Slayer's army were banished in Season 8, hence my belief that the final battle in Season 8 was the final battle spoken of in "Fray," the change being that Buffy managed to avoid being "banished from this earth," presumably into another dimension, which sounds suspiciously like Twilight's, if Buffy had figured out a way to send the demons there instead of humans, along with herself, her friends, and all of the other Slayers.

If they are, indeed, the same battle, then existing canon was changed in Season 8 by not accepting Twilight's offer of a new universe or banishing all the demons, and by, eventually, restoring magic, which was proven to be necessary to keep order in Buffy's dimension. In the original version, with all the demons and all magic gone, and assuming that Willow would be one of the friends of the Slayer banished into another dimension, the chaos that Willow was able to avert in Season 9 would have been allowed to play out.

Assuming that that is the case, then the future that created Fray, though considered canon up to that point, might actually be interpreted as the anomaly that Buffy winning her battle set right once more. Correcting the time line wouldn't necessarily cause Fray and her reality to cease to exist, but it would probably cause changes, some great, some subtle, to occur. Of course, we'll never know for sure unless Joss decides to wright another Fray mini-series.

Yes, that is pure conjecture on my part, and I'm sure that there are people here just itching to tear it apart, but everything just fits together too well, in my opinion, to not be highly probable, if not true.

Reporting to tear it apart! 😉

I agree there are a lot of similarities but there are too many differences, the main one being that Twilight and Magic ending were completely different things, If Twilights plan had been successful, they would have left the universe they were in but it would have had no effect on magic and the demons stay behind.
If that had been successful, Fray would have to be based in the future of the Twilight world not the current world, The plan would have to be reversed for it to match up, all the demons would have to go to Twilights paradise, and it didn't seem like that were ever an option.
Plus if that plan were successful Buffy would have willingly gone, the panel in the Fray comic shows the Slayer wanting to stay in the same universe and being dragged into it by demons.

The magic ending was also completely separate to Twilight, magic only ended to stop Twilight, whereas in Fray the event, it's implied anyway, has magic and demons leaving the world as part of the same thing, but in season 8 magic ending stops Twilights plan so the two things are working contradictory to one another. They cancel eachother out, it was one or the other, they dont work together.
 
According to this article:

http://www.denofgeek.com/books-comics/26065/looking-back-at-joss-whedons-fray

In the paragraph directly below the 4th picture (Fray blasting Urkon)

It says, "During a history lesson which included the first slayer, Urkonn tells Fray that demons and magic were banished from 'this earthly dimension' by an unnamed slayer, whose fate remains a mystery. Although this didn't really match up with the way in which Buffy saw out season seven (and then there was the comic books continuation), it was tantalising tease dropped into Fray, and one which cemented the book into the Buffy universe."

While that doesn't match up with the final battle in Season 7, the mention about "banishing magic from earth" does fit in with the final battle in Season 8, with the difference being that neither demons nor Slayer's army were banished in Season 8, hence my belief that the final battle in Season 8 was the final battle spoken of in "Fray," the change being that Buffy managed to avoid being "banished from this earth," presumably into another dimension, which sounds suspiciously like Twilight's, if Buffy had figured out a way to send the demons there instead of humans, along with herself, her friends, and all of the other Slayers.

If they are, indeed, the same battle, then existing canon was changed in Season 8 by not accepting Twilight's offer of a new universe or banishing all the demons, and by, eventually, restoring magic, which was proven to be necessary to keep order in Buffy's dimension. In the original version, with all the demons and all magic gone, and assuming that Willow would be one of the friends of the Slayer banished into another dimension, the chaos that Willow was able to avert in Season 9 would have been allowed to play out.

Assuming that that is the case, then the future that created Fray, though considered canon up to that point, might actually be interpreted as the anomaly that Buffy winning her battle set right once more. Correcting the time line wouldn't necessarily cause Fray and her reality to cease to exist, but it would probably cause changes, some great, some subtle, to occur. Of course, we'll never know for sure unless Joss decides to wright another Fray mini-series.

Yes, that is pure conjecture on my part, and I'm sure that there are people here just itching to tear it apart, but everything just fits together too well, in my opinion, to not be highly probable, if not true.

It's a good theory. A lot of boxes are ticked by it. But a good theory is in NO WAY confirmation from Joss. Unless there is an interview where Joss says "Yes, the Twilight battle was the The Battle of Starbucks," this cannot be viewed as anything other than a decent headcanon.
 
I think this will be kinda cool. Looking forward to reading it.

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Also, Scott Allie's hair will forever be a mystery to me.
 
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