Is Dollhouse Doomed? 7 Trouble Signs

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Is Dollhouse Doomed? 7 Trouble Signs

Rejoicing ensued when word came that Joss Whedon--creator of the beloved Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly--was returning to network TV with Fox's upcoming SF series Dollhouse, starring Buffy/Angel alumna Eliza Dushku (Faith).

But that was months ago. And in the wake of news about the show's troubled development process, the buzz may be turning ugly.

"This may sound ridiculously nerdy, but I'm kinda scared to get all emotionally invested with another of Whedon's shows after the cancellation of Firefly," one person posted on YouTube.com after Dollhouse's trailer debuted there.

We are all big supporters of Whedon, too, but we have to worry ourselves, just like these others:

"In Joss we trust, but not Fox. Should we start the 'Save Dollhouse' petitions now? :0)>"

"So true. Let's hope Fox doesn't mess this up!! There is a space on the market for a show like this. Alias, Dark Angel, BTVS, Bionic Woman ... all gone. My fingers are well and truly crossed."

One of the most anticipated shows of the season, Dollhouse has had one of the most troubled preproduction journeys of any show in recent history. Dollhouse follows a group of mind-wiped secret agents who have different personalities and skills implanted in their brains for each mission. Dushku plays "Echo," one of the dolls who is starting to become self-aware. Going by premise alone, the show should be Whedon gold. But the devil is in the details. Here are seven reasons to worry.

1. Pilot issues. Whedon filmed the pilot episode, "Echo." Then it was announced that "Echo" would now be the second episode, and a new first episode was being shot. Then the pilot was thrown out completely. This is disturbingly similar to what happened on Firefly, Whedon's last network show, which Fox canceled abruptly in the middle of its first season. In the case of Firefly, the original two-hour pilot was bumped to later in the show, and a new one-hour segment was shot to introduce viewers to the complicated 'verse of the series. In the case of Dollhouse, Fox suits were reportedly concerned that the original pilot was too hard to follow. "Once it became clear what paradigm the network was shooting for, it just didn't fit at all, even after I'd reshot more than half of it," Whedon posted on the site Whedonesque.com. How do you not know what the network is looking for? Didn't they tell you?

2. Work stoppage. Production was actually halted. Twice. Once for script issues on the fourth episode, and once for the sixth and seventh. Whedon said in a blog, "To get a sense of how completely turned around I was during this process, you should know there was a scene with Eliza and the astonishing Ashley Johnson that I wrote and shot completely differently three different times, with different characters in different places (actually I wrote it closer to eight times), and none of it will ever see air." Really? The creator of the show had to reshoot something three times, and it still didn't work?

3. Bad buzz. Fans started a "Save Dollhouse" campaign pretty early on, even before the show began production. Check out this fan video:

(See Source for the video.)


I asked Joss about the fear at Comic-Con this year. "I think the campaign is a little bit of a ... it makes people think, 'Hmm. What's wrong with Dollhouse? Why does it need saving?' I say, 'Wait, whoa, whoa, we're not on yet! We're OK.' I think."

4. Bad dialogue. I watched the trailer, hoping for a laugh. Whedon is known for his snappy dialogue and witty lines. But not this time, at least not in the trailer. Where is the "Prince of Night, I summon you. Come fill me with your black, naughty evil." Or "Every well-bred petty crook knows that the small concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting." In the Dollhouse trailer, we get "Did I fall asleep? For a little while."

5. Friday night Death Slot. On Nov. 10, Fox announced that Dollhouse would debut on Friday nights (starting in February), following the ratings-challenged Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Friday night has traditionally meant cancellation for shows of the sci-fi persuasion, The X-Files being the lone exception. We're talking Sliders, Dark Angel and the infamous Firefly. The term "Friday Night Death Slot" even has its own page on Wikipedia. I'm pretty sure Fox has seen it. Contrary to popular belief, TV watchers sometimes have dates on Friday nights: "Moving a brand-new show to a horrible time and night, and moving a highly rated, already established show to a great timeslot, is just insulting," one person posted on YouTube.

In an interview with SCI FI Wire, Dushku dismisses the death slot sentence. "Dude, we're in the age of DVR," she said. "People watch what they want to watch."

"I suppose you can talk yourself into saying that Fox has enough faith in the show to pull in ratings in the Time Slot of Death," another fan wrote. "But you can also say that Fox has already written off the show and isn't even going to bother."

6. Cast/crew issues. Viewers loved Dushku as the kick-ass slayer Faith on Buffy and Angel. They loved her as Tru in Fox's Tru Calling, which aired for two seasons. But hot as she is, Dushku's buzz is taking a bit of an ugly turn. Some are calling her "tired-looking" in the trailer and saying she seems bored.

Time magazine, which recently reviewed the first episode, said that Dollhouse "is less a series concept than an actress' showcase." Of Dushku, the magazine adds, "I thought she was fine on Buffy. But she's not exactly Toni Collette. ... Watching her inhabit her imprinted 'personality' [of] a tough negotiator with secret vulnerabilities, I did not see her becoming another person. I thought, 'Oh, look! There's Eliza Dushku with glasses and her hair in a bun!"

As for other cast members, the show scrapped the character of November, played by the strangely named Miracle Laurie, who will instead play a different character. The entire character description of Dr. Claire, meanwhile, was altered so that Angel alumna Amy Acker could play her. It's arguable that such alterations are par for the course, but added to the show's other upheavals, they are troubling.

Behind the camera, the show lost former Buffy writer Steven DeKnight early on. The good news is that he was replaced with another Buffy alumna and favorite, Jane Espenson, who is currently writing Dark Horse's Buffy comics and Battlestar Galactica.

The Time review wasn't all bad. It said it was both better and worse than expected. But the draw seems to be Whedon, not the actors, which doesn't exactly scream success. "If it weren't for Whedon's pedigree, I'm not sure I'd be dying to see a second episode. But for me, the main draw now is not seeing Dushku become a different person every week, but getting to see Joss Whedon become a different writer every week."

7. Lack of network support. The move to Friday, the constant requests for reworking, the low-ratings lead-in: All signal a lack of support on the part of Fox. Reports say the network spent all the money on sets instead of the pilot. Sure, I get the whole "It's called Dollhouse, so let's make a pretty one" thing. But it's all going to be very expensive trash once the show passes its fourth episode and gets the ax. To add insult to injury, the show debuts on Friday the 13th this coming February. Coincidentally, that's the day Angel was canceled. --Jenna Busch

Source: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=62579
 
Joss needs to get over this battered-wife syndrome he seems to have with Fox.

Fox is not your friend, dude.

At this point I'm already hoping they can jump to a different network or, at least, we might get a 13-episode DVD set out of it.
 
Aww....poor Dollhouse. Seems like its already doomed if the fans have no faith in it. If people think it will fail, it will you know.
 
This makes me angry 🙁 I want to throw dolls at SOMEONE!
 
Is Dollhouse Doomed?

Yep.

I need another reason to hate Fox anyway. They already canceled Arrested Development and Firefly long before their times, and 3 is just such a nice, round number. Besides, when if Dollhouse does get canceled, this time we'll be 100% sure Joss won't work with Fox again.
 
It's not just Fox, though. It's so difficult these days to make quality television... and be allowed to succeed at it... that I don't know why anyone with any artistic pride even bothers anymore.

I'd say Joss was right the first time, when he said he was finished with television to focus on movies. But he's just so damned good at television, when he's allowed to do it the way he wants to... I want more Buffys and Angels and Fireflys. But I just don't know where they're going to come from.

(Sorry, depressed at the moment... I watched the first 8 minutes of "Heroes" tonight and realized that, after 3 years of not missing an episode, I just can't do it anymore. So now I get to think not only about shows that I've watched go from "brilliant" to "root canal", but shows like Dollhouse that probably won't ever be given a chance at brilliance at all.)
 
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I have 2 episodes of Heroes on the tivo I just can't make myself watch...
It's alright, I've decided I'm not even gonna watch Dollhouse until I know for sure it's gonna be picked up for at least a full season...
 
(Sorry, depressed at the moment... I watched the first 8 minutes of "Heroes" tonight and realized that, after 3 years of not missing an episode, I just can't do it anymore. So now I get to think not only about shows that I've watched go from "brilliant" to "root canal", but shows like Dollhouse that probably won't ever be given a chance at brilliance at all.)

This is so true i mean i can't believe
audiences would settle for reality TV thats
nothing but BS fake horse shi* instead of
something groundbreaking.

Also i do believe that a 50/50
chance that DollHouse will get cancelled.

And is it just me or does anyone think it'll be hard to look
at Eliza be Echo instead of Faith i know it is for me
but hopefully theres an ep where they
program her to be a badass lol.
 
Joss needs to find a network or cable channel that will be comfortable with the fact that his broadcast series are going to be loss-leaders for the DVD sets. Look at Firefly... 10 episodes without ever getting above a 1.6 rating, but the DVD set sells like Seinfeld.

It's a matter of convincing someone that shows like this are worth doing if you're willing to wait for the profit to arrive on the back end. I'm hoping that the networks might be getting desperate enough to do so.
 
Why doesn't he just take over as Mark Burnett as executive producer of Survivor or something? It's on its 17th season right now...not getting cancelled anytime soon! 😀
 
Is Dollhouse Doomed?

Yep.

I need another reason to hate Fox anyway. They already canceled Arrested Development and Firefly long before their times, and 3 is just such a nice, round number. Besides, when if Dollhouse does get canceled, this time we'll be 100% sure Joss won't work with Fox again.

You're seriously gonna hate FOX for giving Arrested Development three seasons...seriously? Really? Even though they could have justified canceling it after one? Makes no sense.

It's a great show but the ratings sucked, I'm sick of Fox getting the blame for that one. The only thing I think they should have done was have not cut the episode orders but I can't really blame them for that, either.
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It's alright, I've decided I'm not even gonna watch Dollhouse until I know for sure it's gonna be picked up for at least a full season...


It's getting 13 episodes, which IS a full season for a show that airs in the winter.
 
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Well, I'd want more than 13 episodes.
This makes me angry 🙁 I want to throw dolls at SOMEONE!

Maybe you could hire some kind of person who, I don't know, would be willing to throw dolls for you almost as it she was designed for that specific reason BUT when it has accomplished what needs, it has all knowledge erased from its mind.

Is Dollhouse Doomed?

Yep.

I need another reason to hate Fox anyway. They already canceled Arrested Development and Firefly long before their times, and 3 is just such a nice, round number. Besides, when if Dollhouse does get canceled, this time we'll be 100% sure Joss won't work with Fox again.

Aren't we getting an Arrestest Development movie?
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See, here is my problem.

I am reading alot of Fox hate here but where is the Joss hate.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he is fighting this and to be honest I don't even get the impression he is striving for a fantastic show.
Either he has given up or he wants it to fail.

If its the former, then why did he even start with Fox, if its the latter - thats Joss for you.
 
This girl at her internet site, and the selected YouTube viewers she draws on for support can say anything they want, I'll be sitting there waiting for Dollhouse with the phone off the hook, and a big bowl of popcorn.
 
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I will be waiting for it eagerly too, whatever the future may hold. I hope the paradigm will change quickly enough to allow it to succeed.

As for Joss, he has my trust and support on any of his creative endeavors until such time, if ever, he shows me that trust is misplaced. He hasn't let me down yet, and I hope he won't this time either.
 
See, here is my problem.

I am reading alot of Fox hate here but where is the Joss hate.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he is fighting this and to be honest I don't even get the impression he is striving for a fantastic show.
Either he has given up or he wants it to fail.

If its the former, then why did he even start with Fox, if its the latter - thats Joss for you.

Well, it's not exactly professional to go about complaining in public about the network that's putting out your show. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes - I take articles like this with just as much salt (and it's a helluva lot more than a pinch) as I do Joss' silence.

This article annoys me. People are getting worried. It's natural. But I don't think the situation is half as bad as people like this guy are trying to make us believe.

Fox. Do. Not. Want. This. To. Be. Canceled. They want it to succeed - they have their shiny new image to protect. They also have to balance the fact that shows like Firefly really weren't that successful until they jumped to DVD. They can't invest to much. So it's a tightrope that they have to walk, but I really do think cancelling this show is a last resort.

Joss' side, however, is even more difficult to determine. You can't just say "they need re-writes, it must be bad". That's pure nonsense. The fact that the Network have allowed this so far would suggest that they have a decent investment in this show's success. I think that's a good sign.

I'll wait and see. I just hope that Fox realise that they caused the negative buzz, and ignore it accordingly.
 
Writing is hard. It's a constant "I love it! No, wait, I hate it. This scene sucks. What was I thinking? This part is brilliant! No, it isn't. These shoes rule. These shoes suck." (For those of you who have been living in a cave and don't get that last comment, go here.) With a concept like what Joss is trying to pull off here, I can totally understand multiple rewrites.

Now, I'm not being sycophantic--I don't entirely trust Joss' storytelling after the horrible Dr. Horrible ending (which wouldn't have been so bad if that sort of thing wasn't quintessentially Joss by this point)--but I will give Dollhouse a shot both because Joss is generally a decent writer/storyteller and there's so little of that on TV anymore and because I love Eliza and Amy and want to see them (especially Eliza) doing something not horrible (like Wrong Turn).
 
There is one other reason that this show seems likely to fail. Has no one considered the possibility that it is just a really stupid concept? And not the least bit original. To me this whole thing looks like a variety program. How soon after it begins will we get an episode where the "Dolls" sing and dance? Flawed. The whole thing has gotten attention completely based on the Whedon name. If Firefly had gotten half the attention that this show has we'd be in season 4 of it right now. Really a shame. Seems Joss is doing to others what has been done to him. Buffy finished and we got a ton of shows about women with supernatural powers, Ghost Whisperer, Medium, Tru Calling, etc. So now Joss copies Alias, Pretender and "Catch me if you can?" If you can't do ORIGINAL at least do NEVER BEEN DONE ON TV. RIP Dollhouse. (and if I'm wrong I'll be the first in line for the box sets but I'm not holding my breath)
 
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