Is Faith bi..?

[Wilkins]

Faith - I know the type, and she is defenitily straight (If you have to pick one or the other). But at the same time she's always openminded. And that's just how it works, the borderline between "bi" an "not bi" can in the human psychic be very blurry. Just because you play for one team steadely and knows that there's were you belong, it does'nt mean that you can't, sometime, if the impuls happen to grab you after a bottle of wine, or after a good slay perhaps, just play around for the fun with it with someone else.

 

[willowwitch]

Well I personally believe that Faith is "bi". I thought that several lines in the show were "hints" especially where Buffy said she received "mixed signals" from Faith. A woman or girl would not say she was receiving mixed signals from another female if it was not pertaining to sexuality.

I dont think that persons who are involved romantically with someone of the same sex can be described as someone who has "impulses after they have had a bottle of wine". I believe that human beings are normally aware of what gender they have romantic feelings for and I do not think that it comes from an adrenalin rush (slaying perhaps) or just "playing around for fun".

 

[JoeHundredaire]

No, but being hypersexual due to a psychiatric condition tends to override your traditional gender preferences.

 

[Schillaci]

I think she was just a lot more into the whole 'hungry and horny' thing than Buffy was and wasn't particularly concerned with who her partner was. Hypersexual, rather than hetero/homo/bisexual. Faith is also quoted as having borderline personality disorder by the Wiki article on her (which I assume came from some interview, comic, or printed material that's not on the show), which adds to the hypersexual idea. "People with BPD exhibit other impulsive behaviors, such as excessive spending, binge eating and risky sex. BPD often occurs together with other psychiatric problems, particularly bipolar disorder, depression, attention deficit disorder, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, eating disorders and other personality disorders."

A bit more on BPD...
While a patient with depression or bipolar disorder typically endures the same mood for weeks, a person with BPD may experience intense bouts of depression, anxiety, or anger that may last only minutes, hours, or at most a day. These may be associated with episodes of self-injury (including cutting), impulsive aggression, and drug or alcohol abuse. Difficulties in cognition and sense of self can lead to frequent changes in long-term goals, career plans, jobs, gender identity, friendships, and values. Sometimes people with BPD view themselves as fundamentally bad or unworthy. They may feel unfairly misunderstood or mistreated, bored, empty, and have little idea who they are. Such symptoms are most acute when people with BPD feel isolated and lacking in social support, and may result in frantic efforts to avoid being alone. Ironically, it is the desperate clinging to other people that often serves as the very catalyst for conflict that drives others away.

I'm a great source of semiuseful psychiatric information like that. 😵

No, but being hypersexual due to a psychiatric condition tends to override your traditional gender preferences.

I COULD be wrong, maybe you could clarify whether my interpretation of your position is accurate or not. 🙄

A psychiatric condition can cause hypersexuality in a person, this hypersexuality apparently can override a persons desire through chemistry to switch their urges towards a different gender.

You are a source of psychiatric "information". Information is knowledge, knowledge is by basic definition, experience. So you are a source of psychiatric experience.

An objective view is impossible, you can't understand something without using the experience you have obtained in your life. It is not possible. Therefore all opinions are subjective by the very understanding that your opinion is yours.

So ... are you using your life experiences to explain the possibility that Faith might be bisexual?

 

[JoeHundredaire]

I COULD be wrong, maybe you could clarify whether my interpretation of your position is accurate or not. 🙄

A psychiatric condition can cause hypersexuality in a person, this hypersexuality apparently can override a persons desire through chemistry to switch their urges towards a different gender.

Skipping the discussion about what percentage of people may have latent bisexual tendencies they never act on, think of this. People pleasure themselves. Does that somehow make them homosexual because they're deriving pleasure from their own gender? Pleasure is pleasure and in the case of hypersexual individuals, they aren't particularly choosey as to what parts the body has as long as the individual is willing.

You are a source of psychiatric "information". Information is knowledge, knowledge is by basic definition, experience. So you are a source of psychiatric experience.

Or I coulda, yunno, put "borderline personality disorder" into Wikipedia after seeing it in the Trivia section of the Faith Lehane entry, and cut and pasted the two segments into the post above. I possess a fair amount of knowledge of many psychiatric conditions, although I don't have any personal experience with the majority of them. BPD actually is something I'm familiar with from personal experience, yes, but the nature of mental illness means that my experiences and any other given person's experiences (especially a fictional character) might bear only passing similarities. Also, many here could claim to be sources of information about Buffy... or Marvel comics... or Firefly... yet we haven't lived through that. Finally, please reference a dictionary next time you wish to throw out "basic definitions" of words.

knowledge (noun): acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation

An objective view is impossible, you can't understand something without using the experience you have obtained in your life. It is not possible. Therefore all opinions are subjective by the very understanding that your opinion is yours.

Uh huh... right... please see above...

So ... are you using your life experiences to explain the possibility that Faith might be bisexual?

No, but in high school I was acquainted with a girl who had hypersexual tendencies due to a plethora of psychiatric conditions and it caused considerable stress with her Roman Catholic family.

 

[Schillaci]

Skipping the discussion about what percentage of people may have latent bisexual tendencies they never act on, think of this. People pleasure themselves. Does that somehow make them homosexual because they're deriving pleasure from their own gender? Pleasure is pleasure and in the case of hypersexual individuals, they aren't particularly choosey as to what parts the body has as long as the individual is willing.

Relativist fallacy. Just because you "pleasure" yourself, doesn't mean I do, or that anyone else does.

Or I coulda, yunno, put "borderline personality disorder" into Wikipedia after seeing it in the Trivia section of the Faith Lehane entry, and cut and pasted the two segments into the post above. I possess a fair amount of knowledge of many psychiatric conditions, although I don't have any personal experience with the majority of them. BPD actually is something I'm familiar with from personal experience, yes, but the nature of mental illness means that my experiences and any other given person's experiences (especially a fictional character) might bear only passing similarities. Also, many here could claim to be sources of information about Buffy... or Marvel comics... or Firefly... yet we haven't lived through that. Finally, please reference a dictionary next time you wish to throw out "basic definitions" of words.

knowledge (noun): acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation
Uh huh... right... please see above...

Is reading an experience? How does a person study, investigate etc? You can't acquaint yourself with facts, truths by non experience.

No, but in high school I was acquainted with a girl who had hypersexual tendencies due to a plethora of psychiatric conditions and it caused considerable stress with her Roman Catholic family.

Yeah..Do not think that I don't notice your surreptitious attempts to undermine my majesty. You precipitate yourself into a conflict devoid of conviviality. Return back to your perambulatory nature, where it is not deleterious to your self worth. That was never your nature? Yeah, you're right, your ignorance meets your worthlessness equidistantly in the little one stem neuron you call a brain.

 

[JoeHundredaire]

Relativist fallacy. Just because you "pleasure" yourself, doesn't mean I do, or that anyone else does.


Is reading an experience? How does a person study, investigate etc? You can't acquaint yourself with facts, truths by non experience.


Yeah..Do not think that I don't notice your surreptitious attempts to undermine my majesty. You precipitate yourself into a conflict devoid of conviviality. Return back to your perambulatory nature, where it is not deleterious to your self worth. That was never your nature? Yeah, you're right, your ignorance meets your worthlessness equidistantly in the little one stem neuron you call a brain.

In other words, your ability to participate in this conversation has reached an end but you are unwilling to stop trying to draw attention to yourself?

 

[Schillaci]

In other words, your ability to participate in this conversation has reached an end but you are unwilling to stop trying to draw attention to yourself?

My..ability.. to participate..

Yes, you indeed are correct, professor. That I knocked your silly little points out the stratosphere, that you haven't debated, because you are unable to successfully do so, means I can no longer contribute to the conversation.

Oh, I posted, am I contributing?

 

[JoeHundredaire]

My..ability.. to participate..

Yes, you indeed are correct, professor. That I knocked your silly little points out the stratosphere, that you haven't debated, because you are unable to successfully do so, means I can no longer contribute to the conversation.

Oh, I posted, am I contributing?

You made a bizarre argument we can't possibly know anything we didn't actually go through ourselves (you are familiar with the concept of books, right?), coupled with a crude sexual attack that the moderators had to edit. Then when I responded, you typed up something than reminds me of V on an acid trip. How did you debate anything, let alone come to the conclusion that you've outwitted me?

 

[VisionGuy]

I think Faith was just really freaky in the sexual sense, but I wouldn't call her bi.

 

[JoeHundredaire]

I think Faith was just really freaky in the sexual sense, but I wouldn't call her bi.

Yeah. To me bisexual implies that you'd actually have a life partner of either gender (err, one guy OR one girl, not one of each at the same time), as opposed to just taking either gender to bed before kicking them out in the morning.

 

[Schillaci]

You made a bizarre argument we can't possibly know anything we didn't actually go through ourselves (you are familiar with the concept of books, right?),

I made the opposite argument, nimrod.You really do have some serious problems.

coupled with a crude sexual attack that the moderators had to edit.

Making a suggestion that you might be homosexual due to some of your comments is not crude. I have no problem with homosexuality, if you think it is crude that's up to you.

Then when I responded, you typed up something than reminds me of V on an acid trip. How did you debate anything, let alone come to the conclusion that you've outwitted me?

Outwitted you? You would have to have wits for me to outwit you, you are unarmed, I'm afraid.

 

[JoeHundredaire]

I made the opposite argument, nimrod.You really do have some serious problems.

Are you reading your own posts? You decided that since I knew about psychiatric disability, I must have experienced it. You obviously never considered that there is copious written material by numerous professionals available both on the Internet and in print.

Making a suggestion that you might be homosexual due to some of your comments is not crude. I have no problem with homosexuality, if you think it is crude that's up to you.

The mods obviously thought it was crude, else it would still be here... no?

Outwitted you? You would have to have wits for me to outwit you, you are unarmed, I'm afraid.

*pats your head* Just keep telling yourself that.

 

[Schillaci]

Are you reading your own posts? You decided that since I knew about psychiatric disability, I must have experienced it. You obviously never considered that there is copious written material by numerous professionals available both on the Internet and in print.

I came to the conclusion based on YOUR comments, that you have experienced it. It had nothing to do with the quote from Wiki. I ALSO made it clear that I could be wrong, and asked you to clarify. You started arguing over the semantics of definitions.

The mods obviously thought it was crude, else it would still be here... no?

The mods have an opinion. That doesn't mean that they're right.

*pats your head* Just keep telling yourself that.

For someone that claimed to have me on their ignore list, you seem to keep replying to me. Enjoy getting beat down?

 

[SpikedBuffy]

Hey guys! Back on topic here!

Please continue debating about Faith and not each other 🙂

 

[Buffy Summers]

Yeah. To me bisexual implies that you'd actually have a life partner of either gender (err, one guy OR one girl, not one of each at the same time), as opposed to just taking either gender to bed before kicking them out in the morning.

Why does being bisexual imply a life partner any more than being heterosexual implies a husband/wife?

 

[JoeHundredaire]

Why does being bisexual imply a life partner any more than being heterosexual implies a husband/wife?

Because there are very few heterosexual people who AREN'T messed up in the head who go through life without ever having a relationship of some sort with the opposite sex even if they don't get married? I substituted in life partner in lieu of the term boyfriend or girlfriend, I didn't necessarily mean they'd undergo civil union or move to Mass to get married.

As postmortem pointed out, Faith probably wouldn't spend her life with either gender... but then again, I said people who aren't messed up in the head. Whether or not Wiki is correct and she was meant to be portayed as having BPD, you can't honestly say that there isn't SOMETHING wrong in Faith's head.

 

[eponinethen]

Well it depends on how you look at it. Most people aren't 100% straight or gay, and most bisexuals definitely don't like both sexes equally during their entire life. Most bisexuals I know, did at some point prefer guys and at another point girls (and that can change during your life, imo). So, I don't think it's fair to say that for you to be a real bisexual, you have to consider both guys and girls to be interesting as life partners.
However, being an "openminded" person who once in a while has sex with someone of the same sex, does not make you bisexual.

 

[Mesektet Ra]

I stand with epo and Buffy. I, myself, am bisexual, and I don't nessecarily consider being bi having to consider other girls as life partners. BUT I also don't believe in having both a guy and a girl at the same time - been there, too many problems, and I'm all for the monagamy thing anyways. I just like chicks, that's how I roll.

Anyway, is Faith bi. YES. I make that a resounding YES. She just is. I can't really put my finger on a specific, and it's not just Buffy she's after. She likes girls in general. I just get the feeling.

 

[Jill_Valentine]

Charlize Theron, talking about Aileen Wuornos, said that she didn't think Aileen was a lesbian or bisexual. Simply that she'd been so brutalised by her experiences that she'd respond to any close human contact. I'd say the same for Faith, to be honest. Her take on gender politics is just too broken to take her behaviour as a face value reflection of her sexual orientation.