I didn't really like season five until the last few episodes. I can't watch most of it because the whole brain tumor storyline depressed me severely. It was just too real and scary. It definatley wasn't the best season, though I loved the last few eppies, especially 'The Gift'.
Randy Giles
Two sides to every soul.
That's what's GOOD about season five, is how they added such terrible real-life issues for Buffy to deal with.
1-800-Willow-Rosenberg
Don't Warn The Tadpoles..
I like season 5 it touched on very good topics. such as the death of joyce and ll the reactions. i think season five is a goo season. dawn does cry alot in this season but with her mom dying and everthing else i cut her some slack. Plus tara and willow aww cute. and the end os season five of my favorites not because buffy died 🙁 but it was just well done with everyone doing their part to try and save dawn.
angeldarla
You still have a soul.
well season5 isn't my fav season too.. i guess it's because of joyce's death, buffy's death, spike with harmony, angel was only in Forever and dawn apperance. it didn't seem the same buffy from others seasons. it was really confusing...
I wouldn't blame you. Season 5 was the second worst season they did. First season 4. Season 5 was just so slow. I mean I like it when Joyce is on it but it took them forever to get to the point. Joyce is sick. Yes we all know that. So why not make her die faster. I mean it's not like I don't like Joyce, it's just she's sick and we all know she is going to die. So why not just kill her off faster.
Also I thought that it took along time to get used to Dawn. I like Dawn in all but to me she just made the series worse. But if she wasn't on it then why would Buffy have an excuse to work at the new high school or for Buffy and Robin Wood meeting.
So yes season 5 was horrible. But it was filled with some great episodes like The Body, Tough Love, and The Gift. So on the plus side there are great episodes to look forward too.
Also I thought that it took along time to get used to Dawn. I like Dawn in all but to me she just made the series worse. But if she wasn't on it then why would Buffy have an excuse to work at the new high school or for Buffy and Robin Wood meeting.
So yes season 5 was horrible. But it was filled with some great episodes like The Body, Tough Love, and The Gift. So on the plus side there are great episodes to look forward too.
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
I really liked season 5, just not Dawn. I love Dawn in season 7 all grown up and minus the cry baby act. But I think that every season has its off episodes, and then also great and funny ones.
Mesektet Ra
a walking insurrection.
I actually thought S5 was one of the BEST Buffy seasons. I love the story arc and how they tied everything together - "Little Miss Muffet" and all that. I really liked Dawn's prophecized coming a lot. I liked how they ended it and everything.
Now, I actually LIKED Dawn. When she came about, I was around her age, and I had a ton of involuntary empathy for her. I mean, I wasn't that prissy or whiny, but you get the idea. S6 Dawn is much harder to put up with than S5.
Now, I actually LIKED Dawn. When she came about, I was around her age, and I had a ton of involuntary empathy for her. I mean, I wasn't that prissy or whiny, but you get the idea. S6 Dawn is much harder to put up with than S5.
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watcher1006
I thought Season 5 had the best series story arc.
nerd4hire
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I agree with Mesektat, and here's something I find interesting. When the series was running I used to get the feeling Season 5 was one of the more popular seasons. I remember seeing polls, and my impression was Season 3, and Season 5 generally won the top 2.
I'm wondering...if I was to go through this thread would I be able to make the case for the idea the DVD generation is liking Season 5 less than those who discovered Buffy as a weekly series? Is it possible Season 5 doesn't translate as well via DVD, as it did via telecast for some reason?
I'm wondering...if I was to go through this thread would I be able to make the case for the idea the DVD generation is liking Season 5 less than those who discovered Buffy as a weekly series? Is it possible Season 5 doesn't translate as well via DVD, as it did via telecast for some reason?
watcher1006
Potential
Interesting question, I don't know the answer. Offhand I sort of thought that the fans who had followed the series loyally for as many as 3-1/2 seasons before Season 5 might have been most put off by the introduction of Dawn, which in principle would have recast the experiences of the characters in those seasons, at least in their memories.nerd4hire;394693; said:
*Buffybabe*
Be Brave.Live.For me
Yep i agree with the peeps above me, season 5 was really good, one of my best eps, season 4 was one of my worsts!!
P
postmortem
Season 4 was really a huge disappointment.
Ladybug
Grinch
Hmm... it really depends... I don't like it that much, but that's probably just because I've watched the episodes way too many times...
I think this would've been my favorite season if I had seen it before seasons 6 and 7 (yes, I watched the seasons out of order >_<). Dawn was awful in this season, she was just... ugh. Always whining and crying and being patheticly stupid and predictable. I mean, seriously. I loved the actor, and her acting, but... I really, really hated Dawn. In the 6th and 7th season, I think she got a lot better, and more, er, "confident" in herself. I think it helped that she finally stopped going on about being the Key, the only time that was mentioned... was... I think in Two to Go, by Dark Willow. And Dawn didn't even say anything then. In season 7, she was even better, and actually pretty useful to the scoobies. She did a majority (or what seems like) of the research, and she could do a lot more for herself besides whine. But, yeah, anyway, Dawn is a complete brat in this season. Just because she's the Key doesn't give her any priviledges to be so... annoying. Heh.
One upside of this season was Willow and Tara. That was very comforting, but kind of distracting... I mean, you hear people say "Oh, I like the 3rd season best because Angel's in it" or "I like the 6th season best because almost every episode has Spuffy sex" (which, ew, to that second example), which isn't bad or anything, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't have to do with the plot. People should like shows/movies/episodes/books/etc. because of their storyline. If you watched a show just for one specific thing, it would probably get very boring after a while of watching it just for that one thing. Example; in season 6, when Tara is shot, I have to admit that was very sad and it still often makes me cry, but I accept that it happened. Denial sucks. Period.
Wow, am I totally off subject.
Okay, anyway, my point is, the fifth season was [probably] pretty good.It's just that it's usually judged by one petty little piece. Dawn was not one little piece, though... she was like, the season itself. So to have that kind of a character stepping in and becoming the big focus of everyone, they have to be a good focus. (-cough- Good = no whining)
I think this would've been my favorite season if I had seen it before seasons 6 and 7 (yes, I watched the seasons out of order >_<). Dawn was awful in this season, she was just... ugh. Always whining and crying and being patheticly stupid and predictable. I mean, seriously. I loved the actor, and her acting, but... I really, really hated Dawn. In the 6th and 7th season, I think she got a lot better, and more, er, "confident" in herself. I think it helped that she finally stopped going on about being the Key, the only time that was mentioned... was... I think in Two to Go, by Dark Willow. And Dawn didn't even say anything then. In season 7, she was even better, and actually pretty useful to the scoobies. She did a majority (or what seems like) of the research, and she could do a lot more for herself besides whine. But, yeah, anyway, Dawn is a complete brat in this season. Just because she's the Key doesn't give her any priviledges to be so... annoying. Heh.
One upside of this season was Willow and Tara. That was very comforting, but kind of distracting... I mean, you hear people say "Oh, I like the 3rd season best because Angel's in it" or "I like the 6th season best because almost every episode has Spuffy sex" (which, ew, to that second example), which isn't bad or anything, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't have to do with the plot. People should like shows/movies/episodes/books/etc. because of their storyline. If you watched a show just for one specific thing, it would probably get very boring after a while of watching it just for that one thing. Example; in season 6, when Tara is shot, I have to admit that was very sad and it still often makes me cry, but I accept that it happened. Denial sucks. Period.
Wow, am I totally off subject.
Okay, anyway, my point is, the fifth season was [probably] pretty good.It's just that it's usually judged by one petty little piece. Dawn was not one little piece, though... she was like, the season itself. So to have that kind of a character stepping in and becoming the big focus of everyone, they have to be a good focus. (-cough- Good = no whining)
white avenger
white avenger
The death of Joyce was certainly the biggest "down" of season five, but there were several "ups" in it as well. The biggest was the elimination of Riley, who had degenerated into little more than a boy toy to vent Buffy's sexual energy, and the beginning of the growing bond between the Slayer and Spike, but it also, for the first time, introduced a big bad who was too powerful for Buffy to handle without serious help from her friends. The inclusion of Dawn into the cast was, in my opinion, just an effort by the writers to appeal more to the younger audienct, the same as Lt. Chekov was in the origonal STAR TREK.
zombie.apparatus
everything we had...
Schillaci
Scooby
Like, the nature of season 5 is that it built up suspense each week, more than other seasons, and that was a large part of the success of season 5 while onscreen, as opposed to the immediate, no waiting nature of dvd.
Darling Faithy
I feel saintlike
I thought season 5 was alil boring, and it just got a lil akward at points, and of course this was the start of some definite spuffy things, which i hated.
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watcher1006
I was uneasy when they started with the Spike-loves-Buffy, although it was after S5 that the business really bothered me.
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Spirit_Of_Fred
yeah. in s5, it was mostly that spike loved buffy but she didnt love him, which was a little sweeter and made me feel bad for him. but in s6, it was just...a different scenario (i'll leave it at that to prevent the wrath of the spuffy fans).
Season 5 is definitely my favorite season of Buffy. Although it did have it's weak points (The Knights of Byzantium, the chumping of Riley) it had so much godd stuff that I can just ignore the weaker parts. Glory was a great big bad, and the seasonal story arc was really great. There were some really great episodes, like The Body, The Gift, Family, Real Me, Blood Ties and Fool For Love, and none that were really bad.
The characters were almost uniformly great, I really liked dawn from the first time she appeared onscreen, and really don't get all the hate against her. also, Spike finally found a place in the series (as opposed to "just being around" in season 4) and it was fun to contrast how bad he used to be (as seen in Fool For Love) with how pathetic he had become. Willow and Tara were great, and I really liked their relationship. It was great fun to see Xander and Giles pick themselves up from their season 4 slumps and get new senses of purpose, and Joyce was just really really great.
Anya unfortunately seemed to simply exist as comic relief, and Riley was changed from the promising character he had been in s4, to an idiot. Also, Glorys minions were way too incompetent, and The Knights of Byzantium were totally lame. But it's still my favorite season.
The characters were almost uniformly great, I really liked dawn from the first time she appeared onscreen, and really don't get all the hate against her. also, Spike finally found a place in the series (as opposed to "just being around" in season 4) and it was fun to contrast how bad he used to be (as seen in Fool For Love) with how pathetic he had become. Willow and Tara were great, and I really liked their relationship. It was great fun to see Xander and Giles pick themselves up from their season 4 slumps and get new senses of purpose, and Joyce was just really really great.
Anya unfortunately seemed to simply exist as comic relief, and Riley was changed from the promising character he had been in s4, to an idiot. Also, Glorys minions were way too incompetent, and The Knights of Byzantium were totally lame. But it's still my favorite season.
I just finnished rewatching season 5 the other day, (is going through the entire show with my girlfriend who's never seen it before) and had just reasonly read this thread, and therefor, had it in mind while watching. But I must loudly protest. First of all, Buffy is NOT whining at all. And second, its one of the BEST seasons ever, its a part of the highest peak the show has, the one that stretches from a few eps in in season 5 - to somwhere in the middle of season 6.
I like Season 5. Sure, its not my favourite season but its not my worst (I save that for season 6 🙂)
Yeah, Dawn was a really annoying introduction to the cast, but her character was suppose to be annoying. She was Buffy's little sister, and younger siblings, in general, are nothing if not annoying. I thought it was played out well, and the audience got to understand Buffy's feelings because they were feeling them too.
Plus it had the rather real storyline of Joyce's illness. It was interesting to watch Buffy deal with a situation she couldn't control or fight. This was hinted at in Season 2 Killed by Death, but that actually turned out to be a monster. Buffy is so used to being able to protect people from the supernatural, she was thrown when her mother got sick.
It was a season of interesting plotlines 🙂
Yeah, Dawn was a really annoying introduction to the cast, but her character was suppose to be annoying. She was Buffy's little sister, and younger siblings, in general, are nothing if not annoying. I thought it was played out well, and the audience got to understand Buffy's feelings because they were feeling them too.
Plus it had the rather real storyline of Joyce's illness. It was interesting to watch Buffy deal with a situation she couldn't control or fight. This was hinted at in Season 2 Killed by Death, but that actually turned out to be a monster. Buffy is so used to being able to protect people from the supernatural, she was thrown when her mother got sick.
It was a season of interesting plotlines 🙂
Well I didn't really like season 5 that much either. I mean it's not the worst. I would say that season 4 was the worst. But Dawn was so annoying. She wined constantly and whenever she didn't get her way she would storm off and be a brat about it. I liked the concept that Joyce was dying from a natural cause and not from a demon. But the thing I didn't like about Joyce dying was that during those times the episodes were boring. Nothing was happening in the episodes. And I like to watch Buffy kick demon butt. Not sit there and cry about her mom dying. I mean I would do that but it kind of got on my nerves. They could have done more things with Glory during those times. But they chose to make the show more emotional than it already was. So I would have to say season 5 was horrible. But it wasn't the worst. It had a lot of great episodes but some of them were kind of boring. So yes it was boring.