Is There a "Perfect" Episode

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I think the obvious answer is Hush. And yea I'd easily call it a 10/10 episode.

But still even some 10/10 episodes/video games/movies/etc aren't considered perfect...

To narrow it down even more, I definitely wanna see this from our little fanbase's POV. I don't know about anyone else, but I see (almost) all Buffy and Angel episodes as better than anything else. Not literally better, just in my eyes.



I was about to list a bunch of episodes I thought were perfect, but it's kinda hard to land on one.
 
If I had to pick just one Buffy or Angel episode, just one... oh this is tough. I'd say... The Gift. From the most absolute awesome battle (Anya and a baseball bat leaves me in awe every time). The opening flashbacks to previous episodes is just epic. The score is brilliant. It's never too sentimental. The action is perfect. Even Glory's minions get some pretty hilarious lines ''our day of glory is coming'' plus we see a darker side of Giles. Some cute Tara / Willow moments, and visually, fantastic.

Other 100/100 episodes, in my opinion:

ATS

-Darla
-Not Fade Away
-Smile Time
-Reunion
-Five by Five

BTVS

-Passion
-Innocence
-The Body
-Dead Things
-Normal Again
 
Wesley Pryce
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Well, from within the Buffyverse, I don't know if I have any one episode that I consider "perfect" in every way, but there are a few that come mighty close. "Passion" is my favorite episode of BTVS. I think story wise, that episode is absolutely perfect. Everything fits and flows brilliantly. It comes at just the right time to advance all the major arcs. It's a fantastic episode. From the Angel series, "I will remember you" is an amazing episode, one that story, arc and character wise is damn near perfect. Other favorites I have are "Hero", "You're Welcome" and "Not Fade Away", but while all three of those are very special episodes that I absolutely love, they aren't flawless.

If we're looking beyond Buffy and Angel, I think the ninth episode of S2 on Game of Thrones, "Blackwater" is perfect. Everything about that episode is not just incredible, it's stunning. It culminates the build of the entire season perfectly, it has jaw-dropping action, character moments that set the standard for any show out there, it's just a perfect episode.

on the show LOST, the pilot is the best first episode of any T.V. show I've ever seen, and it's another I'd describe as a perfect episode. It's just incredible. It establishes some of the best characters I've ever seen in any medium and does an amazing job of setting the tone of the entire series.

Looking at movies, my favorite movie ever is Batman Begins, but there are one or two flaws in it. Same with The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Two moves that I love though and can describe as perfect? Catch Me If You Can and The Fighter. The first Rocky movie is in that class as well.
 
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blackwater is awesome. Great picks all round.
I think Buffy has quite a few perfect-or-pretty-close-to-perfect episodes: Passion, Hush, The Body, The Gift (especially if you count the previous two episodes as a trilogy), Once More With Feeling, Conversations with Dead People, and Chosen.
Angel only has a few imo: Waiting in the Wings, Not Fade Away, After the Fall (if you include the whole series).

All of the above episodes I think have perfect writing, voice, and story. I don't really know how else to put it.. there is nothing wrong with these episodes imo. I think each episode sets out to achieve something completely different and unique, and each succeeds whole-heartedly in surpassing those goals. (wow, I have no idea if that sentence makes sense to anyone but me)
 
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Seeing Red is so amazeing to me. Some one else might say its not perfect. But the chaos of S6 just comes to a flat out boil the emotions just pour out of all the actors I love it

OMWF
The Body

From Angel
Smile Time I can see it 6 times in a row and can still laugh
 
In the Whedonverse I would consider the following "perfect" episodes:

BTVS
-Becoming
-The Gift
-Checkpoint
-Hush
-The Body
-Help
-What's My Line
-Graduation Day
-The Zeppo
-Something Blue
-Life Serial

Angel
-City Of
-To Shanshu In L.A.
-Conviction
-Not Fade Away
-The Trial
-Reunion
-Damage
-That Vision Thing
-Fredless
-Long Day's Journey
-Hellbound

Firefly
-Heart of Gold
-Our Mrs. Reynolds
-Trash
-Ariel
-Jaynestown

Dollhouse
-A Spy In The House of Love
-Needs
-Epitaph Two: Return
-Belonging

Outside the 'Verse:

LOST
-Pilot
-The Constant
-LaFleur
-The End
-The 23rd Psalm

Supernatural
-Heart
-I Know What You Did Last Summer
-Heaven & Hell
-Changing Channels
-The Monster At The End of This Book
-Bad Day At Black Rock
-Jus In Bello
-Swan Song
-What Is And What Should Never Be
-The Rapture
-Dark Side of The Moon
-Hammer of The Gods
-Mystery Spot

Doctor Who
-Blink
-The Girl In The Fireplace
-The Angels Take Manhatten

There are more from all the other shows I watch, but these are the only ones coming to mind right now.
 
Washburne
Washburne
I love some of the episodes you've mentioned. I like that you mention "The girl in the fireplace" which I love although there's lots of things I don't like about it. Yes, I'm weird. ;)
Wesley Pryce
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VisionGirl
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Angels Take Manhattan- OMG I cried so hard!
To me there's not anything that's perfect. Sounds depressing right? That doesn't mean that that aren't things, or people, we feel are perfect. Just ask anyone that's head over heels in love. With time and a little distance we see things more clearly. So sadly, no I don't think there's a perfect episode. I'm simply too picky.

Please know that even if that's how I feel it doesn't mean that there aren't episodes I highly enjoy watching. To me that's usually the ones I find funny. At least when it comes to Buffyverse.
 
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To me there's not anything that's perfect. Sounds depressing right? That doesn't mean that that aren't things, or people, we feel are perfect. Just ask anyone that's head over heels in love. With time and a little distance we see things more clearly. So sadly, no I don't think there's a perfect episode. I'm simply too picky.

I was working on a reply to this topic that would've been crazy long, but there was something in there about defining perfect. Now, I don't think that there's anything that can't be improved, but I think something is perfect if the only way to improve it is to change something fundamental to it. That means that there are some things that are perfect, but does acknowledge that everything can always be improved somehow.

Yeah, that really long post may show up at some point, but it was long and a little confusing to write (I stopped because it was hurting my brain).
 
Wesley Pryce
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Once More With Feeling.

Joss really floors me with his entire genius. The whole episode blows me away with the story, events, choreography, and especially the lyrics.
 
Yeah, I'm in the "perfection doesn't exist" camp. Now I love Buffy The Vampire Slayer. In my opinion, it's the greatest thing to happen to television. With that being said, there are episodes that I greatly admire and appreciate. Restless, for example. I love that episode more than I love my second cousin. I wouldn't call it perfect, because like people have said, there's always room for improvement. But I don't need my entertainment to be perfect, anyway. I deal with my favorite shows, or movies, or bands 110% emotionally. Not logically, not technically, it's strictly emotional. If that piece of music or episode strikes an emotional chord in me, and it makes me cry, or makes me happy, or even makes me extremely angry, than that piece of art has done its job.
 
The Ferg
The Ferg
Exactamundo.
Wesley Pryce
Wesley Pryce
completely agree
For me, my "perfect" episode of Buffy is "The Body". I thought every part of it was so well written and beautifully acted. The cast really did an outstanding job with amazing material.
 
Blaze
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I understand what some people are saying, there is no perfect thing. I think I'll have to agree with that, but there are things that comes very close to being perfect. In my opinion, flaws can bring something more to the creation. The sudden bad acting, the quirky lines or the misplaced chord. Sometimes it really adds quality. Many people think that if something is perfect it must be polished, hit every note and deliver excellent performance throughout, but I think "perfect" can be flawed. Ofc this comes down to what you think the word stands for. Actually this might just be complete bullshit. There is probably nothing that is perfect, it was just a thought that came to mind. I'd like to quote the lyrics of a NOFX song, written by the highly talented Fat Mike:

"...no one seems to understand
The glory of guitar
When out of tune
The off timing
The singers who can't sing
The beauty of flaw"

Anyway I think some stuff that comes pretty close to perfect include the book series A Song of Ice and Fire, The first seasons of Dexter, Breaking Bad, Take Five by Dave Brubeck and some more stuff...
 
Pike
Pike
nofx, gotta like it
The most perfect episode? Its a choice between Hush and The Gift.

I chose Hush because its the only episode that its demons have truly creeped me out.
 
When I first saw this thread I was thinking there's no such thing as perfection. Then I saw last weeks episode of Death in Paradise (British crime comedy drama set on a Carribean island) (the one with his bullying ex-colleague if you watch it) and although I wouldn't consider it as one of the greatest TV episodes I've ever watched it did seem to be perfect - every plot element no matter how minor it seemed turned out to be crucial to the final plot reveal at the end of 'who-done-it'.

I don't know if any Buffy or Angel episode was perfect though... or if they need to be.
 
As far as perfectly done/directed/written etc I would have to say The Body, because it is just so artfully done and so amazingly performed and written that I can't ever watch it without getting a painful lump in my throat from trying to hold back tears. And at the end f the episode you feel yourself as if you have lost someone, it draws the viewer in that much. And having lost a parental figure (or anyone at all really)the questions and reactions of all the characters are ones that you have all at once within yourself so yeah, it's really well done.

But as far as perfect episode in the sense of the perfect mix of everything that makes Buffy, Buffy, I would say The Gift. It's very climatic, has the powerful fight scene, inspiring speeches, comedy moments, one liners, something uplifting and then something sinister, shocking twists and turns, a bit of romance; everything is thrown in and put together greatly. Not to mention that end scene where they all gather around Buffy, truly and really dead amongst the rubble....just a great episode.
 
seeing as people are doing other shows,

Game Of Thrones:
-Blackwater
-Baelor
-Fire and Blood

Lost (narrowing it down to a very difficult five episodes)
-Through The Looking Glass
-The Constant
-The Man From Tallahassee
-Ab Abertno
-Shape Of Things To Come

Breaking Bad
-Salud
-Ozymandias
-Full Measure
-One Minute
-Confessions

The Walking Dead
-Days Gone Bye
-Pretty much Dead Already
-Made To Suffer

Firefly
-Objects In Space
-War Stories
-Bushwacked
 
I think the only episode that is truly perfect is the Body. I don't think I've ever seen an episode about death that was this powerful. It might not be the death that has made me cry the most, or that has affected me the most, but the episode was just perfection. It's the only episode where I thought to myself line after line after line how everything was spot on. There wasn't one missed beat in the episode and every single dialogue just fell into place like I've never seen done in an episode before.
 
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Yeah, it's a complete 10/10 in my books and tied with Hush as Whedon's best directed episode/ film.
Theres too many to name for Angel so ill just give one ,"not fade away" as for Buffy "the gift"
 
"Prophecy Girl"

There's not a scene in this episode, not even a single line of dialog that's unnecessary. Everything is connected and moves the story forward, it's the tightest writing this show's ever seen. Seriously, "Prophecy Girl" is unreal.
 
If we're looking beyond Buffy and Angel, I think the ninth episode of S2 on Game of Thrones, "Blackwater" is perfect. Everything about that episode is not just incredible, it's stunning. It culminates the build of the entire season perfectly, it has jaw-dropping action, character moments that set the standard for any show out there, it's just a perfect episode.

Absolutely- I am reasonably sure that when Bronn was singing "Rains of Castamere", I may actually have started jumping around the room in excitement. It was a brilliant episode.

From Buffy/ Angel (within the context of the show, at least):

- "Passion"- no surprises here, I guess, but it's just brilliantly put together. The episode builds up well, we know that SOMETHING is going to happen, because other than Angelus tormenting Buffy and co. there is no monster/ situation of the week to battle through in the meantime as there has been for the past 2 episodes. There's sweet moments (Giles and Jenny making up, and Buffy making peace with Jenny for their sake, Buffy and her mother having "The talk"), there's the humour of Cordelia being worried about her car. The whole episode, and in particular the scene where Angelus is spying on Buffy and Willow as they receive the bad news emphasises just how much Angelus is about the art/ cruelty of the kill. Once Jenny is murdered, we are just waiting for the point at which the rest of the gang finds out, and the scene where Giles finds her, and pretty much every scene thereafter is done fantastically. The use of the music as Giles climbs the stairs. The muffled conversations watched through the window as we see the mood in Buffy's house go from jovial to shock and misery. The scene with the Scoobies at Giles's house, particularly Buffy and Xander is well done- it highlights (as does the final scene of the episode) that Buffy realises that Angel needs to die, I think. Giles beating up Angel (and the first seeds of the notion that Spike doesn't just dislike Angelus, but will happily see him die) and the scene where he and Buffy just collapse. Plus, Anthony Head's voice appearing in the music that recurs throughout the episode ("Remembering Jenny", I think it's called) was a nice touch.

I think "Surprise"/ "Innocence" and "Becoming Pts 1/2" are also up there for consideration (the Angelus arc has some of the strongest episodes, IMO, of the show's history).

- "Hush" is another strong contender. It's one of the scariest episodes, and again, has some great moments of humour. Great concept, too, the idea of being unable to scream. Some slightly cliched moments (creepy child singing creepy nursery rhyme at the beginning).

From Angel:

- "Not Fade Away" - I think I might be a bit biased because of this being the final episode, and because I enjoyed it a lot, but I really did feel like it was well done. All of the characters got some great moments, and whilst my boyfriend described the ending as unsatisfying, I thought it tied in well to the overall theme of the show. Unlike Buffy (which is, generally speaking, about how Buffy and co. face down the apocalypse/ Monster of the week and save the day, in the end), a lot of Angel has, IMO, been about fighting the good fight because it's the right thing to do, even if you don't always win. Wolfram and Hart, for example, have been around and evil since the very start of the series, and the only thing that has come close to getting rid of it (or, the LA branch anyway) is another Big Bad. Angel Investigations never managed to get rid of it, but they fought them anyway. Had the episode gone on to show the fight scene (leaving the comics aside), they would probably all have been wiped out, but as it is, we get to see the last four standing jump into battle, because that's what they do. It's not the cheeriest thing ever, and in truth, it's not a great plan. But it is a great episode, IMO.

There's a few others I can think of from Angel, actually, but I'm going to leave it for now before I write an essay XD
 
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