It Ain't Yer Daddy's "Magnificent Seven!"

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Just saw the first trailer for the upcoming remake of the classic Western (based on an Eastern) "The Magnificent Seven." Interesting, but Yul Brenner wouldn't recognize it.


I think that they made the right decision in not actually doing the original story again. This looks interesting. And it's always good to see another western. We need more good ones like "Open Range" and "Tombstone."
 
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I thought it looked good, though I miss the iconic Bernstein score. Chris Pratt can do no wrong at the moment so I've no doubt it'll be a big hit
 
On the subject of Westerns in general, I was reading something recently that suggested that the current trend in superhero movies was basically just Westerns under a new guise, with much more destruction and higher budgets, with the Batmobile substituted for Trigger (That's Roy Rogers' horse, for you kiddies too young to know. And don't you DARE ask me who Roy Rogers was.) I guess there's a point there, so what we're seeing here is "The Avengers" with Chris, instead of Captain America, and Steve instead of Iron Man. They even have their own versions of Black Widow and Hawkeye.
 
It might be just me but I can't wait to see the Honest Trailer for this.

The score in the trailer sounded vaguely like "House of the Rising Sun", so I hope they did their plagiarising better than that. But The Magnificent Seven was a remake of The Seven Samurai, so I don't see any problem with pushing the plot along a bit further.
 
On the subject of Westerns in general, I was reading something recently that suggested that the current trend in superhero movies was basically just Westerns under a new guise
Except westerns did not ruin the way a story is told.

If you are talking about the article in which Spielberg called them the modern day comic book movie that I posted here some time ago, I still disagree with it as it's very much inverse of the western genre.
 
If you are talking about the article in which Spielberg called them the modern day comic book movie that I posted here some time ago, I still disagree with it as it's very much inverse of the western genre.

The subject was brought up on another forum, dedicated to several movies about the Alamo in particular, and the Western genre in general, but it might have come from the same original source. I just wasn't sure about posting things directly from other groups here.

I can see some of the argument, though. There are definite parallels in, for instance, Captain America and just about any character John Wayne ever played in their sense of values, loyalty, honor, justice, and the "man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" attitude and tendency to jump into fights that aren't really any of their concern. Of course, that's a very broad statement, something that could said for any sort of general action/adventure story. Mostly, I think that what the original author was referring to was the simple fact that one traveling vigilante is the same as just about any other, whether they're wearing jeans and a 10 gallon hat, spandex and a cape, or armor and a sword, whether they're an ex-gunfighter, protecting the ranchers from rustlers, the world from space aliens, or the villagers from a dragon, it's just the current manner of portraying the same old theme of good vs evil in a relatively familiar setting. The specifics might change, but the generality remains constant.

As for ruining the story, it doesn't take a superhero or a gunfighter to do that. Just a writer/director/actor doing a poor job o converting a story and character from the novel to the big screen.
 
The main difference between westerns and comic book movies is that westerns are limited by not being able to have special powers or magical abilities. A western is a story about people that you could emulate in real life and situations that you could reasonably expect to have happened. "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" defied the trope of the Byronic hero, the tall-in-the-saddle dark mysterious stranger and replaced it with a couple of frat boy pranksters and the movie did well. It also paid screenwriter William Goldman $400,000, an unheard-of amount at the time even though it took eight years to research and write. Relatives of Robert Cassidy said that the portrayal in the movie was accurate. Much less is known about Harry Longbaugh (the real name of the Sundance Kid) other than he was born in New Jersey and spent two years in the Sundance Prison in Utah (which gave him his name). The Sundance Film Festival in Utah is based on that movie - it cast a very long shadow ahead of itself and kickstarted Robert Redford's career.

After that, there were few of the traditional westerns and it looked like the genre had played itself out. You tended to get items like Blazing Saddles, a comedy, and Wild Wild West, a steampunk version of the old west. The refreshed Magnificent Seven may get some traction, and I hope it does, but if I were a producer/investor, I might just pass on this one.
 
The main difference between westerns and comic book movies is that westerns are limited by not being able to have special powers or magical abilities.

I don't know, I can remember Roy Rogers, Tex Ritter, and Gene Autry doing some pretty fantastic things when I was a kid, things that, in the real world, border on superhuman. Look at the movie "Rustler's Rhapsody," made several years ago, and you might get some idea of what I mean. The things that Rex O'Herlihan did for laughs, like his phenomenal shooting, or his outlandish wardrobe and moral code*, were quite common in the old B westerns, and no one ever questioned it. No one ever wondered how a wandering cowboy, with no obvious source of employment, could afford a champion race horse or expensive guns and equipment, any more than we question why someone from a planet with a red sun can fly, lift tremendous weights, and in impervious to bullets. The Lone Ranger was as much a superhero, in his own universe, as Batman ever was in his, and they both even wore masks and had secret identities.

Call him Sir Lancelot, Hopalong Cassidy, or Captain America, the character and his motivations are essentially the same, and their stories are, basically, interchangeable.

* For those who might be interested, the code of ethics of the B movie cowboy include:

1. Live each day with courage

2. Take pride in your work

3. Always finish what you start

4. Do what has to be done

5. Be tough, but fair

6. When you make a promise, keep it

7. Ride for the brand

8. Talk less and say more

9. Remember that some things aren’t for sale

10. Know where to draw the line.

There were others, but those were the most common.
 
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