Jenny Calendar

The Dark Age, The First, Drusilla...

I know it was a fun comment not to be taken serious so lets say (so we don't actually make someone think there's anything to the theory) that it has nothing to do with Jenny herself. Just that she was most suitable for the job so to speak. I had forgotten about Drusilla though.
 
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I liked the character, I liked the "different" side to Giles we got to see with her- I think she worked well at bringing him out of his shell, and giving him his own life, as opposed to simply being Buffy's Watcher. I do think that it was foolish of her to keep her secret about Angel (though reading through the script of Innocence again, just to make sure, and it doesn't seem that Jenny knows about the "soul loss" part of the curse- her uncle tells her about it after Angel has disappeared. Perhaps she assumed that her ancestors wouldn't be stupid enough to put a clause into the curse that brings back the demon that caused them the misery in the first place...)- if not for any other reason, then for the fact that she saw how much Giles' dark secret ended up hurting her, and nearly splitting them up. Would have been good to show her learning from that experience.

I do think that the Scoobies are very judgemental in this case, though, especially if Jenny was truly in the dark about the soul clause, which, judging by the script, she is. I mean, Giles kept his past secret. Buffy, in the very next season, doesn't tell anyone that Angel's back, despite how much they suffered at Angelus' hands. None of them are always that great with the openness issue. I think to a certain extent Buffy was scapegoating, in Jenny's case- the curse had been caused by her sleeping with Angel, she was (admittedly, without knowledge) the reason Angelus reemerged, and then she doesn't kill him, which results in more innocent deaths. I do think that perhaps she felt guilty, and so treated Jenny more harshly than she would have treated this secret at another time.

I think that it would have been nice to see them reconcile fully (I'm a GJ shipper), and how their relationship would develop, and how Jenny would develop as a character- would have been nice to have seen more conflict between her Sunnydale life and her family's life as the series progressed, especially in Series 3. Would she still be expected to watch Angel after he returned? With Angel having tortured her boyfriend, would she have been, as Giles was, very suspicious of him, and perhaps more willing to watch him again? What about when Angel moved to LA? Would her family have wanted her to follow him? Presumably she would have defied them, if her relationship with Giles was still in place, what kind of conflict would that have caused? Would there have been repercussions from her family? In terms of her relationships with the other characters- would she and Buffy be able to trust each other (especially if Buffy then brought Angel back without telling anyone, I imagine that would have angered Jenny and made it harder for them to reconcile)? Could she have proved a guiding influence on Willow's magic use in Season 3 and beyond? I definitely think there was potential for storylines from her character, had she lived.

I also think it would have been nice to see the First-as-Jenny reemerge in Season 7, it would have been nice to see a scene between Giles and the First, as he couldn't see it in Amends. But I guess that would be a practical impossibility, even if the writer's wanted to do it- as I recall, Robia LaMorte wasn't happy about playing the personification of evil the first time round, doubt she would have signed up for it again.

On the other hand, I can see why Jenny was the one killed off instead of Oz, from a storytelling point of view. Oz is awesome, don't get me wrong, but in terms of closeness to the main characters, Willow looks up to Jenny, Giles is in love with her, as he later confesses, she's deeply involved with the Angelus storyline. With her and Giles's reunion imminent, her death was a real shock. Not to mention with Buffy freezing her out, I think it could affect her with a large amount of guilt. Oz and Willow, on the other hand, have only just "gotten serious", if you like. I think Oz's death would be less of a "shock" to the main characters, apart from Willow. And also, Passion was done so beautifully... I don't see it working so well any other way.
 
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I adore Jenny. It makes me a bit sad to see she is so underappreciated in fandom. Sure, her being a gypsy comes completely out of left field with no foreshadowing whatsoever but it leads to plenty of awesome drama, so I am more than okay with that. I love how she immediately tells her uncle that he a freaking moron when he finally reveals the truth about Angel's curse.

I liked the character, I liked the "different" side to Giles we got to see with her- I think she worked well at bringing him out of his shell, and giving him his own life, as opposed to simply being Buffy's Watcher. I do think that it was foolish of her to keep her secret about Angel (though reading through the script of Innocence again, just to make sure, and it doesn't seem that Jenny knows about the "soul loss" part of the curse- her uncle tells her about it after Angel has disappeared. Perhaps she assumed that her ancestors wouldn't be stupid enough to put a clause into the curse that brings back the demon that caused them the misery in the first place...)- if not for any other reason, then for the fact that she saw how much Giles' dark secret ended up hurting her, and nearly splitting them up. Would have been good to show her learning from that experience.

I agree - Jenny brought a new dimension to Giles's character and I love her for that. And she didn't have a clue about the specifics of the curse, all she knew was to watch and make sure that Angel suffers. It's her moronic relatives who deserve the lion's share of the blame. She could challenge Giles and she was also something of a role model for Willow too. As much as I think it was really a brave decision to kill her off, I am not sure it was the right one in the long run. The Scooby gang really could have used another adult, one who was not a psychopath like Spike or Anya. Maybe Giles could have hooked up with Gwendolyne Post. If she weren't a psycho too, I mean. 😀

And as much as fans in general tend to dislike "I, Robot, You Jane", I think Jenny had one of the best introductions of any character in the show. Even before we knew her full name, she was already snarking at Giles:

"Giles: I'm, I'm just gonna stay and clean up a little. I'll, uh, I'll be back in the middle ages."

Ms. Calendar: Did you ever leave?"
 
Jenny was great. She and Giles was great together.

I've never blamed her for the Angelus incident.

It was sad that they killed her off. But I do think she got one of the coolest death scenes in the show so it wasn't all bad. 🙂

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I definitely agree with Himiko about her relationship with Giles. I'm new so I don't know if getting off on a tangent about G/J is ok to do on this JC thread but I thought they were such an awesome pairing. Giles had this sordid past that ended in death which shook him so much that it transformed him from BA-Ripper into the fumbling librarian we see in season 1. Jenny is the only woman on the show to show interest in Giles as the watcher/librarian he is (Joyce and him were teenagers and Olivia still called him Ripper) and they both shared a similar story of coming to Sunnydale strictly for duty; neither were expecting to fall in love.

The thing that will always get me is that Buffy's blame on Jenny would be understandable if Jenny knew Angel could lose his soul, which is a difference Jenny should have made more clear to Buffy and Giles after all of this came to light. Essentially, Jenny thought there would be no real consequences to letting Angel be happy, and she even defended him to her Uncle. I definitely think Buffy was using Jenny as a scapegoat, which in itself is kind of understandable as she is a 17y/o girl who slept with her vampire boyfriend who turned evil, that gives Buffy some leeway there.

Sidenote: You think Giles and Buffy would show some compassion towards Jenny after they walk in on her Uncle horribly murdered, his blood smeared on the wall.

I also think it would have been nice to see the First-as-Jenny reemerge in Season 7, it would have been nice to see a scene between Giles and the First, as he couldn't see it in Amends. But I guess that would be a practical impossibility, even if the writer's wanted to do it- as I recall, Robia LaMorte wasn't happy about playing the personification of evil the first time round, doubt she would have signed up for it again.

Watching season 7, I was really waiting for that! Jenny, albeit her relatively brief time in Giles' life, was such an important figure. She loosened him up quite a bit and gave him a confidence about himself you hadn't seen before. But yea, interesting fact: Robia LaMorte became a born again Christian during her time on Buffy so I heard the same thing about her not wanting to be an evil version of Jenny.

I do think that the Scoobies are very judgemental in this case, though, especially if Jenny was truly in the dark about the soul clause, which, judging by the script, she is. I mean, Giles kept his past secret. Buffy, in the very next season, doesn't tell anyone that Angel's back, despite how much they suffered at Angelus' hands. None of them are always that great with the openness issue. I think to a certain extent Buffy was scapegoating, in Jenny's case- the curse had been caused by her sleeping with Angel, she was (admittedly, without knowledge) the reason Angelus reemerged, and then she doesn't kill him, which results in more innocent deaths. I do think that perhaps she felt guilty, and so treated Jenny more harshly than she would have treated this secret at another time.

I agree. Not to mention that in season 7 Buffy failed to mention to Giles that she had Spike's chip removed. I was re-watching the end of Innocence the other night and I forgot just how much of a window Buffy has to kill Angel, and we know she feels horrible about it as she does admit at Jenny's grave that she wishes she could have killed Angel for Giles, and for Jenny when she had the chance which is huge to admit.


I feel like Jenny would have been such a great addition as a main character. It would have created some great material for Giles reconciling his role as a watcher with his role as a boyfriend/husband. And you could absolutely see potential for Jenny as an almost motherly role for Dawn after Joyce dies. Maybe guide her out of being a kelpto.
 
I love Jenny and always will. I feel she was one of the strongest Scoobies in the franchise, was a great partner for Giles (not that stupid Olivia character) and her death is easily one of the most overlooked moments in the show
 
I'm indifferent to her. Don't care either way. However, I think she should have been involved more with season one.
 
I liked Jenny Calendar. Her relationship with Giles was great. He needs an adult woman by him, be sorrounding by teenagers is not so fun, especially for a tight English librarian. But the whole gipsy origin came from nowhere and it didn't suit well, imo. All said that, I despise her willingness to go to Sunnydale to keep an eye on someone cursed a century before. A vengeance that goes on and on after a century, a modern profession and interest (computer) that can't stop an ancient tribal way of thinking? What Angelus did happaned a century ago, it doesn't affect directly her parents, herself, her present people. To be wiiling to continue a vengeance when you don't even know the people really injured and killed, decades after all of them are dust? Creepy. And not say anything after Angel saved her life and fighted so many times with the Scooby and helped against the Master? Wrong wrong wrong. I had no simpathy for her after the big revelation. Of course I was sorry for her death but I couldn't really care of her.
 
Absolutely astonishing addition to the cast, it's a shame she didn't last any longer. Loved her and Giles, and even though I would of liked her to stick around her death was so emotional and stands out as one of my favourite moments, and episodes of Buffy. I love you Ms Calendar.
 
Jenny - like Tara and Anya - is not an easy character for me to forget.
Whenever I watch 'Passion' and I see the window Jenny was killed in front of, I end up yelling every time...it still effects me.

I would have loved to have seen her stay around longer, she was gorgeous and I loved her with Giles. I was pretty mad when Angelus killed her.

At first she wasn't my favorite, but when that crack of her neck was heard, and Giles came home, read a note and poked his little head in and looked around, I got teary-eyed, and when he went upstairs and saw Jenny lying there on his bed, staring lifelessly out, and dropping the champagne bottle...I appreciated her much more when I re-watched the seasons and Jenny was in the episode.

Now, whenever I watch Passion or any major Angelus episode, or even just an Angel episode, I throw a pillow at my TV 😛

Shame she was forgotten/never mentioned by the others later on like Anya was forgotten (by them, not by us)


And speaking of Anya, why is there a Dark Willow icon and not an Anya one?
That's sad.
 
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