Jonathan and Andrew's storyline scenes in "Conversations with Dead People"
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I was never a fan of Andrew, actually I can't really stand him at all, part of it because of his actions in this episode. Jonathan I do like a bit more, but their story is definitely not my favorite. I do think though that their scenes are important in CWDP though. I do really like the surprise ending, and Jonathan dying. It has a certain really sad aspect to it. Andrew is a dick, and I never bought that he was remorseful at all.
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Their's is definitly the weakest part of an otherwise excellent episode, but bits of it are quite menacing, especially the parts in the basement where Warren is visible to Andrew and not Jonathan- showing himthe way to the Seal- you can just tell that something bad is going to happen. 🙁
I too found Andrew deeply annoying at the time, but its really only in retrospect that I grew to truly hate him. Looking at him now, in the comics, you really see how pointless and superflous a character he's turned into.
Yeah, and I never bought his remorse at all. Yet Andrew is now firmly considered a 'Scoobie', (and Faith isn't?) and gets to hang out with them and stuff, so I guess murdering Jonathan in cold blood worked real well for him. 😡
I too found Andrew deeply annoying at the time, but its really only in retrospect that I grew to truly hate him. Looking at him now, in the comics, you really see how pointless and superflous a character he's turned into.
Yeah, and I never bought his remorse at all. Yet Andrew is now firmly considered a 'Scoobie', (and Faith isn't?) and gets to hang out with them and stuff, so I guess murdering Jonathan in cold blood worked real well for him. 😡
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I love Jonathan's scene in this episode where he reveals he still cares about the people he went to school with, even if they don't care about him.
But overall, I agree that they were boring. I would have liked for this subplot to be moved to a later episode and given Xander a storyline here. His absence is really noticeable. Though I guess that's also due to the producers not being able to get a hold of the guy who played Jesse.
But overall, I agree that they were boring. I would have liked for this subplot to be moved to a later episode and given Xander a storyline here. His absence is really noticeable. Though I guess that's also due to the producers not being able to get a hold of the guy who played Jesse.
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Ya, their part was a bit boring, I didn't like Warren talking to Andrew and them making Star Wars jokes. But it is important for the overall story arc.
Yes, I love that scene where Jonathon says he misses everyone and doesn't care if they don't feel the same. I think that makes his death one of the saddest on the show.
I agree it could have been moved to another episode and having a Xander scene instead would have been nice, but oh well.
Yes, I love that scene where Jonathon says he misses everyone and doesn't care if they don't feel the same. I think that makes his death one of the saddest on the show.
I agree it could have been moved to another episode and having a Xander scene instead would have been nice, but oh well.
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It also makes me wish that Jonathan was the one who became part of the Scoobies, not Andrew.
I'm also coming to the startling revelation that Jonathan would probably be my favorite character in the season if that were the case. Hell, he might even be with things as they are. Or at least second favorite after Faith.
I'm also coming to the startling revelation that Jonathan would probably be my favorite character in the season if that were the case. Hell, he might even be with things as they are. Or at least second favorite after Faith.
MarlieTheSlayer
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Andrew should have died instead of Jonathan. The conversations should have taken place in another episode in my opinion.
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If you asked me, the storylines in that episode rank thusly as far as importance:
1 Buffy & Holden (Buffy's inner thoughts and revelations are a major impact on her decision in "Chosen")
2 Willow & 'Cassie' (Big reveal of the bad guy)
3 Spike (Major plot point of season)
4 Jonathan & Andrew (Uncovering of the seal, plus Jonathan's epiphany)
5 Dawn & 'Joyce' (Just Dawn screaming and wind blowing, then a cameo by Joyce to warn her that she won't be chosen by Buffy. Which is completely irrelevant, since there is never any 'choosing' or 'being against' involving Dawn at all. This scene should be dropped before Jonathan and Andrew's. A scene with Xander and some impending hint about his eye or they (the Scoobies as a whole) turning against Buffy would have been better)
1 Buffy & Holden (Buffy's inner thoughts and revelations are a major impact on her decision in "Chosen")
2 Willow & 'Cassie' (Big reveal of the bad guy)
3 Spike (Major plot point of season)
4 Jonathan & Andrew (Uncovering of the seal, plus Jonathan's epiphany)
5 Dawn & 'Joyce' (Just Dawn screaming and wind blowing, then a cameo by Joyce to warn her that she won't be chosen by Buffy. Which is completely irrelevant, since there is never any 'choosing' or 'being against' involving Dawn at all. This scene should be dropped before Jonathan and Andrew's. A scene with Xander and some impending hint about his eye or they (the Scoobies as a whole) turning against Buffy would have been better)
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Upon re-watches yes I don't like their scenes much, but the first time, I was engrossed in everything going on in that episode.
It doesn't bother me too much that what "Joyce" said came to nothing, considering it was The First trying to cause trouble and create a rift between Buffy and Dawn. I know there might have been an original plan for that to go somewhere, but it didn't and it still makes sense this way.
It doesn't bother me too much that what "Joyce" said came to nothing, considering it was The First trying to cause trouble and create a rift between Buffy and Dawn. I know there might have been an original plan for that to go somewhere, but it didn't and it still makes sense this way.