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If there aren't supposed to be any more demons on earth, what's this thing with all the tentacles?

(Sorry, folks, that won't transfer. It's a picture of Faith and Angel fighting some kind of octopus thing, taken from the previer for Season 9)
 
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Demons that existed before the egg was broken are still fair game. So I am presuming that demon falls into that category. That also fits into Angel reading Giles' journals and finishing up some of his old cases.
 
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Demons that existed before the egg was broken are still fair game. So I am presuming that demon falls into that category. That also fits into Angel reading Giles' journals and finishing up some of his old cases.

But wasn't the whole point of Buffy smashing the egg that it expelled all of the demons and all of the magic from the world, and made all of the vampires incapable of sireing anyone in the future? No more demons until Fray's time, when they start coming back.

Or did I miss something?
 
But wasn't the whole point of Buffy smashing the egg that it expelled all of the demons and all of the magic from the world, and made all of the vampires incapable of sireing anyone in the future? No more demons until Fray's time, when they start coming back.

Or did I miss something?

It only sucked the incursive demons back through. The Earth demons, the ones helping in the fight that were there already, weren't sucked in.

We've probably not seen the last of the storyline. In Fray's world, the last Slayer got sucked into the portal with them. So either Joss is going to change Fray's world or he's not done with the idea of portals and demons yet. Maybe they all get sucked out in S9 or 10 along with Buffy, or whoever.
 
But wasn't the whole point of Buffy smashing the egg that it expelled all of the demons and all of the magic from the world, and made all of the vampires incapable of sireing anyone in the future? No more demons until Fray's time, when they start coming back.

Or did I miss something?

I think you are fusing what we saw in Fray and what happened in issue 39, a bit. In Fray, the final slayer was shown to banish all the magic and demons (and herself) from the world. But it didn't quite happen that way in S8. The magic went, but not the demons, not totally. Who was there already, remains there.

That's how you have Angel, Spike and Clem still around.
 
I think you are fusing what we saw in Fray and what happened in issue 39, a bit. In Fray, the final slayer was shown to banish all the magic and demons (and herself) from the world. But it didn't quite happen that way in S8. The magic went, but not the demons, not totally. Who was there already, remains there.

That's how you have Angel, Spike and Clem still around.

Well, maybe I just dreamed that. Thanks for setting the old man straight.
 
The "Lurks" still existed in Fray's time, so I wonder if the "final" Slayer did actually rid the world of all demons.
 
The "Lurks" still existed in Fray's time, so I wonder if the "final" Slayer did actually rid the world of all demons.

Well, the Lurks are vampires, and vampires are immortal, so maybe a few somehow managed to survive the purge that was the result of the final battle mentioned in the "Fray" series. If that to be is indeed the case, assume, also, that Dark Willow, who has apparently managed to restore magic, at least for her own personal use, somehow activated one or more of those surviving vampires' ability to sire new vampires. Further, accepting all of that, assume also that the increase of actual vampire population triggered whatever Called Fray. Remember what she was told. Slayers had continued to be born, but were never Called, probably because there was no need for them anymore. Once there became a need once more, the Slayer cycle resumed.

As for a likely candidate for the "surviving vampire," I would suggest that Angel, being one of the good guys, would have been exempt from the purge. Centuries pass, Angel is living the life of a recluse somewhere, maybe still brooding about loving a mortal woman and having to watch her grow old and die with nothing that he can do about it. Dark Willow finds him and removes his soul, this time permanently (or even better, transfers it into the body of a four armed monkey) and Angelus begins raising a vampire army.

Further, maybe Spike managed to survive as well, and upon discovering what Angelus is doing, tries to stop him, resulting in the two vampires dusting each other, which would explain why neither one is present in the actual "Fray" series.

(Joss, if you're reading this, the same deal as usual applies. feel free to use all or any part of the above, with no acknowledgement to me either required or expected)
 
I have to reread Fray. I vaguely remember Harth raising zombies from the dead (magic!) opening a portal in the womb of a dragon (more magic!). I remember that PTB who sent her the scythe, later were unhappy that Fray survived. And there are demons and vampires in that world.
 
Well, the Lurks are vampires, and vampires are immortal, so maybe a few somehow managed to survive the purge that was the result of the final battle mentioned in the "Fray" series. If that to be is indeed the case, assume, also, that Dark Willow, who has apparently managed to restore magic, at least for her own personal use, somehow activated one or more of those surviving vampires' ability to sire new vampires. Further, accepting all of that, assume also that the increase of actual vampire population triggered whatever Called Fray. Remember what she was told. Slayers had continued to be born, but were never Called, probably because there was no need for them anymore. Once there became a need once more, the Slayer cycle resumed.

As for a likely candidate for the "surviving vampire," I would suggest that Angel, being one of the good guys, would have been exempt from the purge. Centuries pass, Angel is living the life of a recluse somewhere, maybe still brooding about loving a mortal woman and having to watch her grow old and die with nothing that he can do about it. Dark Willow finds him and removes his soul, this time permanently (or even better, transfers it into the body of a four armed monkey) and Angelus begins raising a vampire army.

Further, maybe Spike managed to survive as well, and upon discovering what Angelus is doing, tries to stop him, resulting in the two vampires dusting each other, which would explain why neither one is present in the actual "Fray" series.

(Joss, if you're reading this, the same deal as usual applies. feel free to use all or any part of the above, with no acknowledgement to me either required or expected)

LOL,funny post although I don't agree with all of it, I think magic is as important to the Buffyverse as water is to the Earth. I think evil and good have to go hand in hand, and that vampires have to exist with slayers to balance each other out, or else there is simply chaos, and no order, and inbalance for both good and evil. I can't see the magicless world benefit either good or evil in the long run, more like their both screwed in some way. Although I thought FDW got her powers to benefit the world not herself, but if anything it seems to be that the character developement that Willow had between season 6 and 8 evaporated the same time it was revealed that Buffy was the betrayer, shocking not really but thats more something I've noticed on most forums. Also everyone is entiled to their own opinon and well just responding to your post which I found funny for the most part.
 
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