Just finished S6.

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Damn was this dark. It was very good, but very dark. There were some great episodes to it though. From the first episode where Buffy claws her way out of the grave to the last where Willow nearly ends the world, it was a wild ride.

Willow- I've seen several people say they don't like Willow in these later seasons, but I still do. I guess I'm like Xander I love yellow crayon breaky Willow and evil veiny Willow. She's awesome. Her struggle with addiction was very well done and the loss of Tara was just painful. God, did I love watching her kick Buffy's ass in the last few episodes. Not because I dislike Buffy, but simply because I love the fact that Willow is the more powerful of the two. It's pure bias, I admit.

Giles- He wasn't in this season very much, I know. Still though there is one scene that makes up for all of his absence. Willow: "There's no one in the world powerful enough to stop me now. *suddenly she's slammed across the room by an energy ball* Giles: "I'd like to test that theory." I got chills down my spine.

Xander: I liked Xander a lot here. I'm sure a lot of people think he did Anya wrong, but I never liked her so I don't care because she annoys me. I'll get more into his speech to Willow at the end of the last episode below when I discuss themes.

Dawn- I don't care how many haters she has. I'm a big fan of Dawny. I loved watching her and Buffy fighting side by side. When she cut off that demon's head and was like "what you don't think I've been watching you?" Great scene. Haters going to hate, but I love Dawny.

Trio- They were okay and it was neat to see Buffy face humans, but I felt they were weak villains. I mean after a god, a group of human nerds is a big step down. I also don't think Johnathan fit in. He was never shown as the type of person who could go along with rape and murder, yet he never challenged them when they killed Warren's ex.

Tara- I was really sad when she died. I really liked her and it doesn't help that everything I've heard about Willow's next love interest sounds really bad.

Buffy- She was very much out of things this season, but Sarah portrayed it well. Watching her struggle with readjusting and taking care of Dawn was interesting. Her relationship with Spike, however? Just no. I love Spike, but honestly he isn't a good boyfriend, I dread seeing him turn into an Angel wannabe.

Spike- He's awesome. He always makes me laugh. However, the rape scene really made it hard to like him for a little while. I do like it though, because it showed the monster that lives within Spike. It's a testament to his strength that he showed any regret or remorse. Though, I do wonder. Was he trying to restore his soul or did the demon just twist his wish at the end there?

Themes/overall thoughts:

This was a very "real" season. Buffy and her friends struggled with death, loss, and addiction. Willow's arc dealing with the loss of Tara and her addiction to magic was really interesting

Friendship- One thing I loved was Xander's speech to Willow. I normally hate when shows talk about friendship, because so often they butcher the concept and turn it into some fluffy unrealistic thing. Buffy did it right, Xander said he loved Willow and he did. Not romantically, but in someways I think true friendship can be a stronger type of love than romantic love. Friendship isn't just "hey let's hang out and go to the movies or whatever" it's about sacrifice, helping each other through dark times, ultimately real friends can be as close or even closer than blood family.
 
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I am glad you enjoyed it. Your thoughts on the characters and themes match mine almost exactly, so I don't have much to add other than to say I agree with you.

And so on to the show-stopping (quite literally) finale...
 
I agree with everything you said there! s6 was brilliant, very real, dark, unveiled the characters in more depth. s6 is one of my favs.
I was going to add my thoughts on the season but you have covered everything 🙂
 
Do you really want to know about the Spike thing now...? 😉 and yay I'm glad you enjoyed it. I love Dark Willow...even though I really, really love Tara :cry:
 
Finally the post I've been always waiting for 🙂

Damn was this dark. It was very good, but very dark. There were some great episodes to it though. From the first episode where Buffy claws her way out of the grave to the last where Willow nearly ends the world, it was a wild ride.

Willow- I've seen several people say they don't like Willow in these later seasons, but I still do. I guess I'm like Xander I love yellow crayon breaky Willow and evil veiny Willow. She's awesome. Her struggle with addiction was very well done and the loss of Tara was just painful. God, did I love watching her kick Buffy's ass in the last few episodes. Not because I dislike Buffy, but simply because I love the fact that Willow is the more powerful of the two. It's pure bias, I admit.

Yes, yes, yes! I pretty much agree on everything you said there. It was really cool seeing Willow kick Buffy's ass. And I love the whole storyline for Willow in this season.


Giles- He wasn't in this season very much, I know. Still though there is one scene that makes up for all of his absence. Willow: "There's no one in the world powerful enough to stop me now. *suddenly she's slammed across the room by an energy ball* Giles: "I'd like to test that theory." I got chills down my spine.
That scene is just so badass! I've watched the Season 6 finale many times, but that scene always gives me chills! 😀
 
Yay for Dawn love and that Giles scene is epic. Spike as a boyfriend is a big no for me too. I see the "logic" by Buffy turning to him considering how she feels but no, no. Spuffies disagree.

This season is one of my favourites even though one or two times I've watched it I've been in the wrong place personally and it hasn't mixed well. I love seeing Willow powerful but I'm not a big fan of Dark Willow. Vamp Willow is way better in my eyes. Once again though, I see the logic.
 
Season 6 is defintely one of the darker seasons of the entire show. When I first started S6, it almost had an entirely different feel to it than the earlier ones had. Which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, but you could tell things were going to be different with this season.

For me, this season defintely had a lot of pain in it. Watching Buffy claw her way out of her grave was really, really painful for me to watch, mainly because she's my favorite character. God, Joss is an evil being for doing that to me. However, the entire subplot throughout the whole season with Buffy struggling to readjust after being ripped out of Heaven was extremely well-done, and I completely felt for her.

This season was also where I completely started to despise Spike. The previous seasons I had actually started to like him a little bit, with a certain 'anti-hero' aspect going along with him. "Seeing Red" completely changed everything. I almost started crying when I saw that attempted rape scene. It is, for me, the darkest scene in the entire series.

Willow and Tara is a relationship that I firmly grew attatched to this season. I kept rooting for them to get back together, even though I knew how it would eventually end. When I saw Warren coming up with a gun, I pretty much was glued to the screen. Tara's death is defintely one of the more emotional and sad moments in the series. The way Willow went dark afterwards I completely believed, because considering what she went through this season, with her addiction to magick and how much she loved Tara, it wasn't that much of a stretch. I don't see why some people don't agree with the whole twist. I actually wished we could have seen more of Dark Willow, because I was interested in seeing what more she could have done.

That being sad, the way Willow comes back from being Dark is one of the most well-written scenes in all of television history, at least for me. The way Xander keeps saying "I love you" even with Willow attacking him actually made me start to cry because it was so beautiful. That was the perfect way to end this season, and I would rate it to be one of the best season finales in the entire 'verse.

I look forward to reading your thoughts on the rest of the seasons! 🙂
 
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only who spells "magick" with the k.
On the whole I really liked S6. The overarching theme of the true big bad being life was very interesting to see in a show like Buffy, with characters I cared about so much. It was a pretty big change from anything they'd done in prior seasons, but I thought it fit together really well, and the story of Buffy returning from heaven and having to deal with just...everyday life was was pretty powerful.

Now, that being said, for all the things I liked about it (there really isn't a "bad" season of Buffy or Angel), it wasn't perfect either. I know there are a lot of big time Willow fans here, but post S3 for me I found I enjoyed Willow less and less every season up until the seventh. She went through so many radical changes that she just didn't even seem like the same character I liked so much in S1-3. The "magic is drugs" metaphor was a good idea in theory I think, but I just got burnt out by it. One of the few problems Buffy as a show has at times is being very on the nose with their metaphors, and this was one of those times. Everyone always talks about how Willow has such an addictive personality (I think Buffy even says that at one point) but to be honest, I never saw that before S6.

Spike...hmm. I like Spike as a character, a lot, but I get conflicted about Spuffy in S6. I think now, when I think of Buffy/Spike, I mostly think of what goes on with them in S7, which I really liked. S6 though, is pretty tough to watch. While you can clearly tell how much Spike loves Buffy, you can see the entire way that he's still evil as well. He manipulates her, he abuses her trust horribly, he knows how fragile she is after coming back and yet he makes her feel like she came back wrong. Awesome character or not, you have to be a truly disgusting person to do half the things Spike did in S6. I liked the dynamic between him and Buffy in S5 and I really liked it S7, and there were certain elements of it I enjoyed in S6, but for the most part it was just uncomfortable.

That being said however, I make the distinction between what a vampire does without a soul and who they are with a soul, and for both Spike and Angel, that's pretty big. So I really do still like the character.

And there were just parts of S6 that didn't do much for me. Anya/Xander didn't do anything for me, and eventually took Anya from being a funny character to just annoying. Xander post S4 actually doesn't do a whole lot for me. I always liked Dawn, but I don't think there was a long term plan for her beyond S5, so I sort of felt like they ran out of things to do with her (that happens to a lot of characters in the later seasons). I liked Tara, but I was never as into her as I was with Oz.

I also think part of the issue, and this isn't really the show's fault, was that it takes place during Angel S3, which just rocks. When I do re-watches I always go through them in order and I'm always way more into Angel that season.

I know I outlines some negatives, but I do like S6. OMWF is an amazing episode, and the finale, "Grave" is one of the best. Dark Willow was a great big bad and I thought the ending with Xander was terrific. I was never that into The Trio (I never understood why Jonathon "went bad") though.
 
Agh it hurts when I read negative stuff about season 6 lol I feel like it's my baby (although I had nothing to do with making it 😛) & to me it's perfect, I love every single thing about it & if it weren't for this season I never would've been the big Buffy fan I am today ..

I know there are a lot of big time Willow fans here, but post S3 for me I found I enjoyed Willow less and less every season up until the seventh. She went through so many radical changes that she just didn't even seem like the same character I liked so much in S1-3.
Wouldn't she have been a boring character if she never changed? I think Willow is one of the most perfect characters I've ever known, everything she did & everything she said always seemed right, the way she started being more confident as she got more powerful, it was so real .. I think Willow (& maybe Dr. House) are the only characters that I feel I know inside & out, good & bad & still love them 😀
 
Wouldn't she have been a boring character if she never changed? I think Willow is one of the most perfect characters I've ever known, everything she did & everything she said always seemed right, the way she started being more confident as she got more powerful, it was so real .. I think Willow (& maybe Dr. House) are the only characters that I feel I know inside & out, good & bad & still love them 😀

Well, I provided a reasoning, it wasn't just the change. I mean, Wesley changes far more radically than Willow and he always remains one of my favorites, but I just kind of felt like her changes came out of nowhere. Not that she found out she was gay, more the "magic is drugs" thing like I mentioned above.

I mean, all of a sudden magic went from being a metaphor for love to being drugs. And suddenly everyone was talking about how Willow had always had this addictive personality. I never saw that prior to S6. It just felt like they wanted Willow to be the big bad so they almost retconned the earlier seasons.
 
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To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier in the season, because as soon as they brought up magick being addicting, I just thought "Something's going to happen involving that."
 
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To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier in the season, because as soon as they brought up magick being addicting, I just thought "Something's going to happen involving that."

Yeah, it just felt very on the nose for me. Again, I don't want anyone to misunderstand, I liked S6, and I thought Buffy's arc and the metaphor there was very, very well done. But it just felt like sometimes they dropped the subtly of their writing that they used to have.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Willow even says she goes to "magic anonymous" or something like that. It was never even hinted at before and then all of a sudden, there it was. But it wasn't just the magic. I mean, lines like "I'm a breast girl" from Willow. Or Spike having his shirt off in every second scene. It was like they were basically screaming what they wanted the viewer to understand, and I never felt like they had to do that before.
 
Yeah, it just felt very on the nose for me. Again, I don't want anyone to misunderstand, I liked S6, and I thought Buffy's arc and the metaphor there was very, very well done. But it just felt like sometimes they dropped the subtly of their writing that they used to have.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Willow even says she goes to "magic anonymous" or something like that. It was never even hinted at before and then all of a sudden, there it was. But it wasn't just the magic. I mean, lines like "I'm a breast girl" from Willow. Or Spike having his shirt off in every second scene. It was like they were basically screaming what they wanted the viewer to understand, and I never felt like they had to do that before.

Ah, ok, I can see your point. And yeah, alot of things were more open, basically meaning we knew what they meant from the moment we laid eyes on them.
 
Yay!!!!!! I agree with everything you said except for the anya thing... I love her!!!!!

Great post though! Please keep them coming!!
 
Yay!!!!!! I agree with everything you said except for the anya thing... I love her!!!!!

Great post though! Please keep them coming!!
Regrading Anya I do admit she is funny, I just can't like her. Her greed when it comes to the Magic Box is just really annoying. The way she couldn't wait for Giles to leave really bugged me.
 
Well, I provided a reasoning, it wasn't just the change. I mean, Wesley changes far more radically than Willow and he always remains one of my favorites, but I just kind of felt like her changes came out of nowhere. Not that she found out she was gay, more the "magic is drugs" thing like I mentioned above.

I mean, all of a sudden magic went from being a metaphor for love to being drugs. And suddenly everyone was talking about how Willow had always had this addictive personality. I never saw that prior to S6. It just felt like they wanted Willow to be the big bad so they almost retconned the earlier seasons.
I do agree that the drug metaphor was taken a bit too far in Wrecked & it kinda lost its subtelty, but honestly it didn't annoy or disappoint me cause it didn't try to insult our intelligence like "Beer Bad" did for example ..

However I disagree completely when you say that Willow's addicition was out of the blue, they've been building it up since season 4 & it kept progressing throughout season 5 up till season 6 when she brought Buffy back to life and then just couldn't stop using her powers .. Remember how she helped Dawn resurrect Joyce? How could she have done that if she wasn't just addicted to magic? She knew damn well that it wouldn't work & that Joyce would come back wrong, but she did it anyway cause she just liked playing with magic no matter the consesquences ..
 
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[MENTION=12094]whitewolf[/MENTION] Favourite episode? Thoughts on OMWF, Dead Things, and Normal Again?
 
Regrading Anya I do admit she is funny, I just can't like her. Her greed when it comes to the Magic Box is just really annoying. The way she couldn't wait for Giles to leave really bugged me.

I can totally see that! But I think she redeems herself in the end, with her speech to andrew and them playing around with the hospital equipment.... she surrenders.... she just agrees to fight for humanity because she sees the spark of hope... of what we are capable of.
 
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