Kony 2012: Make Him Famous (This Thread Needs Everyone to Read It)

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Many of you may already be aware of this video and the cause behind it. If not, watch the video and see for yourself. People all around the planet are tying to bring one of the deadliest war criminals in the world to justice. By just watching this video you are helping that happen.

I know everyone is busy, but I ask if you can spare just 30 minutes for this film. It matters. Big time.

http://youtu.be/Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Now, all you have to do is share this. On Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr...whatever, wherever. Just get this out there.

Thanks guys 🙂
 
I watched this film yesterday and then had my dad sit down and watch it as well. He and I both agree that this is something incredibly important and I can't wait to do what I can to "make Kony famous."
 
That was horrible to watch!
It's definitely something that people need to see though - it's scary that people are so unaware of what is going on around the world 🙁
 
I have mixed feelings about this campaign. On one hand it's good for people to be aware of what is going on in the world, on the other making this man "famous" probably isn't the best way to try and solve this issue. Not to mention arresting Kony won't necessarily end this civil war.

My hope is that us video inspires people to do their own research and find out what exactly is the cause of this civil war and to learn more about Invisiable Children (an organization that is far from perfect), child soldering (which is a global problem) and Ugandas history.
 
I have mixed feelings about this campaign. On one hand it's good for people to be aware of what is going on in the world, on the other making this man "famous" probably isn't the best way to try and solve this issue. Not to mention arresting Kony won't necessarily end this civil war.

I know what you mean. When I saw this video I was... skeptical? Suspicious maybe? If I'm honest, I still am, but I recognise that this whole campaign is an imperfect, if often ugly, way to bring about good in this world.

This campaign is about taking one of the most shameful aspects of our society, the fact that unless there is an incentive to act, unless there is a gain to be made from a situation, world leaders will not intervene on issues such as the one outlined in Uganda. Right and wrong have absolutely no bearing here. That isn't a dig or jibe at any state in particular. It's just politics. It's how this world works. It is how it has always worked.

So, having tried for years to get policy makers to care, they have switched the whole thing on its head. By making this guy infamous, by putting his name on the lips of millions, politicians finally have an incentive to act. Taking issue with Kony means votes and support for them.

I really wish they hadn't used the Obama Hope model for the posters of Kony, it creates the impression that he is a man of talent and integrity. That he is inspiring. But I understand why they did that. Maybe people won't recognise the name, but they will recognise the style of the poster and link it back to something they know is "cool", something they should be involved with/know about.

This is ugly. There is no way to hide from that. There is no way to hide what this says about people. It's incredibly uncomfortable.

But if it means the world is now looking to Uganda and what has been happening there for the lasts several decades, well I'll take it. If this is what it takes to make good come about in this world, well then, I am all for it.

There is no guarantee that bringing down Kony will end the war. Most likely there is a hierarchy within his group just waiting to take over. But at the very least it is a move in the right direction. We've seen with Syria and Egypt how imperfect these scenarios are: the end of the dictator does not equal the end of the terror. But it is a step away from it. Where it leads, that is yet to be determined, but surely, eventually, it has to be better than this.
 
[MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION] consider this your karma. 😉

Awareness is good but what we do with it is what's matter. I didn't know Kony by name but have known about wars and child soldiers and abductions for a long time. Not only in Africa.

No matter how good of an organization or not Invisable children is it can't be denied that the awareness have spread rapidly. The focus is on one man but the problen is obviously way bigger than that. And focusing on Uganda feel wrong. Yet, spreading the issue isn't wrong is it? You don't have to support a certain organization.

Visable children - KONY 2012, viewed critically.

Not to mention arresting Kony won't necessarily end this civil war.
Most likely not. I'd be surprised. The problem is much bigger. Still, no cost was too big to kill/bring justice to bin Laden. Anyone think that solved that problem? "We" like to bring the one at the top to justice. Then it's on to the next one.
 
I know what you mean. When I saw this video I was... skeptical? Suspicious maybe? If I'm honest, I still am, but I recognise that this whole campaign is an imperfect, if often ugly, way to bring about good in this world.

Same here, which is why I have no problems sharing the video even if it makes me a little uneasy.

I really wish they hadn't used the Obama Hope model for the posters of Kony, it creates the impression that he is a man of talent and integrity. That he is inspiring. But I understand why they did that. Maybe people won't recognise the name, but they will recognise the style of the poster and link it back to something they know is "cool", something they should be involved with/know about.

This is my least favorite part about the whole campaign. It makes me wonder just how much thought and knowledge went into planning this. In Uganda Kony often is considered inspiring, he isn't always viewed as an evil villain; even among the Acholi. Many children view him as a man of power, someone who doesn't have to worry about food, water, shelter or money. He is someone who people listen too; and while he may do horrible things in many children's eyes he has a lot going for him. (I am speaking from experience here, I've spent time in Uganda studying this) The posters almost seem to not only reinforce that way of thinking but make me question who this campaign is about. Also, Kony is one of the world best know war criminals and very few in eastern Africa are unaware of who he is....this makes their whole make him known approach odd. It almost seems more about the rest of the world than the Ugandan people and Kony himself.

Another thing that makes me wary is that the campaign calls for the support of the US military to aid the Ugandan government in capturing Kony and several other LRA leaders. Yoweri is guilty of the same things Kony is, yet they want to work with him? Uganda has seen war after war break out, this one happens to have lasted the longest but it is a direct result of pervious mass murders; which the current Ugandan government is responsible for.

The whole thing just seems slightly twisted.

But if it means the world is now looking to Uganda and what has been happening there for the lasts several decades, well I'll take it. If this is what it takes to make good come about in this world, well then, I am all for it.

There is no guarantee that bringing down Kony will end the war. Most likely there is a hierarchy within his group just waiting to take over. But at the very least it is a move in the right direction. We've seen with Syria and Egypt how imperfect these scenarios are: the end of the dictator does not equal the end of the terror. But it is a step away from it. Where it leads, that is yet to be determined, but surely, eventually, it has to be better than this.

You're right, the end has to start somewhere and if this video does that, then even with it's imperfections it is a good thing. The US, ICC and the UN have all made efforts in ending this civil war, hopefully this will spark enough discussion amount the international community along side the Ugandan's government to create lasting change, which will no doubt include a hell of a lot more than removing Kony.
 
It's good that people are waking up to what has been an awful problem in Africa for such a long time. However, there are posts going around on Tumblr about the charity that's apparently supporting this campaign and it's best to do your research before even thinking about contributing to it, as it might not be going to the right place.

If it gets people to start thinking about these issues then that's a good thing though, obviously. I'd have thought contacting an organisation like Amnesty would be a good idea though, they're the ones with some power to put pressure on these kind of systems.
 
Most likely not. I'd be surprised. The problem is much bigger. Still, no cost was too big to kill/bring justice to bin Laden. Anyone think that solved that problem? "We" like to bring the one at the top to justice. Then it's on to the next one.

Exactly. This campaign seems to be focusing on the "we" more so than the people of Uganda.
 
I watched this early today. I think it's really important for people to be aware of it.

I did find it odd how we're saying "Make him famous", but now I understand why. Before I saw the video or understood what it was about, I honestly thought that Kony was a band, or someone with great talent, because all I heard was "Kony 2012! Make Kony famous!" So that's really why I looked it up and watched the video in the first place, and now I know it makes sense why we're promoting him this way. It'll make people want to watch it.

Telling people to watch this video about this awful man killing kids is going to make people not going to want to watch it. They need to watch it expecting something else and then realizing this piece of work they're watching is something serious and something they can't ignore.

I will continue to try to make Kony famous. Whether it helps or not, it's still the right thing to do. People need to be aware of this, and there's no harm in trying.
 
So I watched the video and I thought it was a really nice message about solidarity and hope for change. I felt uncomfortable about that part of the message seemed to be "lets kill this man and the problem will go away" though and the focus on military involvement. To me it seems like that a structural change of some sort is needed. On the other hand, structural change can never happen if people aren't aware of the problem.

I'm feeling really thorne about this campaign. I posted the video with a couple of thoughts on facebook for a little while and a friend of mine shared this link with me. I think he makes some interesting points.

But honestly, I feel like I don't have enough information to have a opinion yet. I get so tired of myself sometimes, sharing links and not questioning things, just posting and urging others to do the same. Then someone else posts a link that is critical, but really, has that person been critical of the critical link or are we just having a link war from our very priviliged positions as white people with educations here in Sweden?

And at the same time, this video is urging people to do something else, to get out there and make a change and it shows that it can be done. It is inspiring. But what if this is just one bad thing replacing another bad thing, more military envolvement and a never ending war, just that we've decided that one side is good and one is bad. I think Kony seems to have done HORRIBLE things, and I cried when that little boy cried. But I don't know if this campaign is the way to go. Or if the way to go is to critique it either. Most of the times problems are way to complex than just something that can be reduced to choosing sides and killing the bad man.

I don't know what I want to have said with this really. I just wrote down some thoughts. I think it's an interesting campaign and as brinkster says, I hope it inspires people to learn more about Uganda and see the horrible thing in that we many times just bring something to light if it benifits us and that it doesn't have to be that way.

That's all for me. For now. 🙂
 
I don't know how I want to word what I want to say beyond, I am in support of this movement and I will do whatever I can to stand up and fight.
 
Something about this campaign grates me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it but it makes me feel uncomfortable and also a little like rolling my eyes at the general public.

Don't get me wrong, I have spent many days in the freezing cold or blistering Perth heat on protest rallies for refugee rights and I am a hugely empathetic person, but this just doesn't sit right with me...

Maybe it's the amount of people that yelled horrible things at me while I was on these rallies? That are now sharing this link and asking for justice? Maybe it's because I believe justice starts at home? Maybe it's because I don't particular like the racial connotations of the obvious 'other'. Maybe it's because I don't like the idea of middle class white teenagers (and yes, sorry, that's mostly who it is) around the world thinking that they are Godlike creature that 'save' black kids. I really do not know.

I'm not sure I support this movement and I'm really unsure why. Any one care to help me out?
 
Something about this campaign grates me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it but it makes me feel uncomfortable and also a little like rolling my eyes at the general public.

Don't get me wrong, I have spent many days in the freezing cold or blistering Perth heat on protest rallies for refugee rights and I am a hugely empathetic person, but this just doesn't sit right with me...

Maybe it's the amount of people that yelled horrible things at me while I was on these rallies? That are now sharing this link and asking for justice? Maybe it's because I believe justice starts at home? Maybe it's because I don't particular like the racial connotations of the obvious 'other'. Maybe it's because I don't like the idea of middle class white teenagers (and yes, sorry, that's mostly who it is) around the world thinking that they are Godlike creature that 'save' black kids. I really do not know.

I'm not sure I support this movement and I'm really unsure why. Any one care to help me out?

This may help:

The organization behind Kony 2012 "” Invisible Children Inc. "” is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called "misleading," "naive," and "dangerous" by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of "manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes." They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau's standards.

Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won't let their financials be independently audited. That's not a good thing. In fact, it's a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you're sending them is going.

By IC's own admission, only 31% of all the funds they receive go toward actually helping anyone [pdf]. The rest go to line the pockets of the three people in charge of the organization, to pay for their travel expenses (over $1 million in the last year alone) and to fund their filmmaking business (also over a million) "” which is quite an effective way to make more money, as clearly illustrated by the fact that so many can't seem to stop forwarding their well-engineered emotional blackmail to everyone they've ever known.

And as far as what they do with that money:

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government's army and various other military forces. Here's a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People's Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People's Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is "better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries", although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn't been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.

Let's not get our lines crossed: The Lord's Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda's decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it.

The United States is already plenty involved in helping rout Kony and his band of psycho sycophants. Kony is on the run, having been pushed out of Uganda, and it's likely he will soon be caught, if he isn't already dead. But killing Kony won't fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn't end terrorism. The LRA might collapse, but, as Foreign Affairs points out, it is "a relatively small player in all of this "” as much a symptom as a cause of the endemic violence."

Myopically placing the blame for all of central Africa's woes on Kony "” even as a starting point "” will only imperil many more people than are already in danger.

Sending money to a nonprofit that wants to muck things up by dousing the flames with fuel is not helping. Want to help? Really want to help? Send your money to nonprofits that are putting more than 31% toward rebuilding the region's medical and educational infrastructure, so that former child soldiers have something worth coming home to.

Here are just a few of those charities. They all have a sparkling four-star rating from Charity Navigator, and, more importantly, no interest in airdropping American troops armed to the teeth into the middle of a multi-nation tribal war to help one madman catch another.

The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don't just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old "sad." Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region's ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention.

There is no black and white in the world. And going about solving important problems like there is just serves to make all those equally troubling shades of gray invisible.

Taken from here
 
I saw Obama proclaim about how it wasnt in the west's interest to get involved in the Syria situation, cos we cant expect the west to intervene every time theres a world crisis going on, which is fair enough. But it just so happens the west say that every time theres nothing in it for them.
 
Thanks [MENTION=10446]sisterofmercy[/MENTION] that makes my gut feeling feel a little bit better about things. Just finished reading it and feeling right pissed off. Kind of depressed as well. Kind of like how I felt when I realised that The Salvation Army were a bunch of right wing tossers.

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Thanks [MENTION=10446]sisterofmercy[/MENTION] that makes my gut feeling feel a little bit better about things. Just finished reading it and feeling right pissed off. Kind of depressed as well. Kind of like how I felt when I realised that The Salvation Army were a bunch of right wing tossers.
 
I gotta say that although the whole 31% to charity is a load of crap, the main thing about this campaign is spreading the video and making people have a name associated with all the bad stuff over there, with a name attached to it, it does make it allot worse.

I'd never heard of the guy before watching the video.
 
I'm not sure I support this movement and I'm really unsure why. Any one care to help me out?

I know what you mean, a big part of me feels like this organisation is a vanity project. A feeling that is not helped by the sweeping generalisations which the video imploys. It tells you just enough to be aware, bit nowhere near enough to be informed.

But ultimately, suspect or not, would we be having this conversation about the war in Uganda if this video didn't exist? That's what I keep trying to focus on. Especially, when Eliza Dushku, whom would be high on our radar, has been campaigning about Uganda for quite some time and not once has it generated discussion on the issues within the country itself.
 
Who cares if it's not the proper way to go around this cause? You have to start somewhere...even if it's not 'ideal'.

The main thing, to me anyway, is that the word is getting out and eyes are being opened to this inhumane situation. Who knows? Maybe if we all cry out against this travesty in Uganda, we can focus on similar situations elsewhere. Like I said, you have to start somewhere. 🙂

I'm reminded of lyrics from a song I like by TobyMac:

If we gotta start somewhere why not here?
If we gotta start sometime why not now?
 
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