"Learn their names" - Faith

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As much as I love Faith, she had no right to tell Buffy what to do in that moment of the episode. This was the Battle of the entire WORLD vs. Buffy and the potential slayers/scooby gang. I was totally on Buffy's side in this argument. Buffy didn't have the time or energy to learn the potential's names or get to know them.

Am I not right? I mean this was the APOCALYPSE.
 
Yes and no. Learning names was certainly wasn't a priority but it was a little thing Buffy could have done to help make the situation easier on the potentials. I'm sure having a leader who didn't take interest in getting to know them made their transition from normal teen girl to slayer all the more difficult.
 
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Yeah, I'm with Brinky on this. It's extremely difficult to operate in such a stressful time, without some sort of comfort or reassurance. Yeah, Buffy didn't have to braid everybody's hair, but at the same time her "holier than thou" attitude didn't make things better.
 
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I think that this scene was more just Faith's character, wanting to have the last word than anything else. I think that we saw only one instance the whole season where Buffy got a couple of names mixed up. That hardly constitutes not knowing ANYONE'S name. And even if it were true, you have to keep in mind that Buffy hadn't had a whole lot of time for socializing with her house guests. She worked all day and patrolled all night. Just about any free time left would have had to be spent trying to get what little rest she could, eat whatever the "little locusts" left for her, and recover the various wounds she had picked up recently. Consider all of that, and it's a wonder that Buffy was able to find her way back home after a night's patrol.
 
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I was just wondering wether the others(Faith) did all know about all others names. I mean there was a coming and going in the house. But all in all I agree with Brinkster and Livin Dead boy!
 
Three things

-Yes it would have been nice if she'd at least made an effort. I think a little bit would have provided a lot of encouragement for the girls and that would have gone a long way.

-That being said, as you pointed out, there wasn't a whole lot of time to worry about names and furthermore Buffy felt that the girls needed to face their harsh reality with a bit of a cold shower initiation. I don't believe she saw any value, as a leader, in being soft or personal with them. Right or wrong it was arguably part of her strategy which makes it legitimate. But...

-Perhaps most importantly, it was ridiculous for Faith to call her out on this since Faith had never led anyone to do anything and her version of dealing with the girls was to take them out and party which was ultimately more for her benefit. She really needed to get off her high horse and stop acting as if she suddenly had some insight into how to treat people, considering her past, just because she'd recently liberated herself from prison.
 
Haha wasn't it always a running joke that Buffy could never get the names of...anything right (The "Chaka Khan" anyone?)...but yes, I do see Faith's point. I agree with brinkster, she was under so much stress, and again, she sucks when it comes to remembering names. All of the potentials basically saw her as a bitch (Rona) which wasn't really fair. Ugh, every time I hear Rona say "ding dong the witch is dead" it irritates the hell out of me. None of them knew her. She did seem distant, hard, and at times cold...but they were at war. For the most part, Buffy was in the right for the majority of that season, but it would have been stupid if no one questioned her leadership at least once or twice.
 
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seriously. if it weren't for Buffy Rona would of been dead. not to mention she said that in Buffy's own home. hated that potential xD
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[MENTION=11753]Fredikins[/MENTION] it didn't let finish my rep comment. I was going to say, I want to punch Rona in the face 😛

I thought the way they treated Buffy was horrible. I agree with [MENTION=6758]white avenger[/MENTION] Buffy had no time to anything much less make friends with a bunch of whining squealing brats. It would have been nice if she knew all of their names, but there were quite a few of them and she was hardly ever home.
 
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[MENTION=11753]Fredikins[/MENTION] it didn't let finish my rep comment. I was going to say, I want to punch Rona in the face 😛

I thought the way they treated Buffy was horrible. I agree with [MENTION=6758]white avenger[/MENTION] Buffy had no time to anything much less make friends with a bunch of whining squealing brats. It would have been nice if she knew all of their names, but there were quite a few of them and she was hardly ever home.

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I couldn't agree more, however it is a necessary requirement of being a general to at least appear to be just like all the rest of the foot soldiers. It breeds camaraderie, and boosts morale. Buffy was being a tactically sound leader, but even so, without troop Morale leaders have nothing.
 
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You're a great fan of our time!
I couldn't agree more, however it is a necessary requirement of being a general to at least appear to be just like all the rest of the foot soldiers. It breeds camaraderie, and boosts morale. Buffy was being a tactically sound leader, but even so, without troop Morale leaders have nothing.


On the contrary, in order to be a good leader, especially in a situation where one's life is at risk, it is imperative to give the impression that you are actually more experienced, more knowledgeable, in effect, simply better than your troops. Being "buddies" with your troops can actually lower discipline to the point that they begin to question your orders or even rebel against them. We saw this happen to Buffy when the gang mutinied in "Empty Places." Note that the actual leaders weren't the Potentials, but the ones who were Buffy's friends. The trouble only started after Faith, who was considered to be Buffy's equal, or nearly equal, questioned her authority. If she had never done that, the group might have grumbled and complained, but they would have followed orders.

Faith, as what was, in effect, Buffy's executive officer, or second in command, COULD afford to be on a somewhat friendlier relationship with the others, because the XO's job is to be the buffer between the general and the troops. Notice that after Buffy left, Faith had to completely change the way that the others saw her. Until she gave her "Now back off and let me do my job" speech, the same thing was about to happen. In this case, Faith actually did prove to be the better leader of the two Slayers. That, plus the Potentials seeing that she, too, was capable of making a tactical mistake, almost certainly mead it easier for Buffy to re-assume command.
 
-That being said, as you pointed out, there wasn't a whole lot of time to worry about names and furthermore Buffy felt that the girls needed to face their harsh reality with a bit of a cold shower initiation. I don't believe she saw any value, as a leader, in being soft or personal with them. Right or wrong it was arguably part of her strategy which makes it legitimate. But...

This such an interesting thought to me. If you look at Buffy from season 1, she would have told dictator Buffy from season 7 to shove it and went dancing with Faith. It seems like Buffy would at least have had a little consideration for the girls knowing who she was when she went from potential to Slayer.
 
You make a lot of thorough observations [MENTION=6758]white avenger[/MENTION], it is true that a leader shouldn't appear to be too ''buddy'' -esque with their troops, but neither should the leader appear totally aloof and alienate those they lead.
An effective balance should be sought, but clearly Buffy failed in this regard. Faith's gung-ho/reckless attitude however was to be her downfall despite her wider encompassing people skills, it would appear the Potentials recognised Buffy as the superior leader. So I would disagree that Faith was the better leader, as the potentials realized, battles aren't won on morale alone.
 
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