Lethes bramble?

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So I was watching Season 3 today and I was just wondering what I missed. How did the gang convince their classmates to go along with the plan? Doesn't seem believable.

And why isn't it ever mentioned again. I would think that a gigantic snake-dinosaur-monster would be bought up at some point by the sunnydale population.

The more I think about it, the angrier I get about how little sense it made. It just seems like an easy way out of the whole 'the snake is coming' problem that the writers dug themselves into.

I know there are some good creative types on here that rationalise these problems, so I wanna hear it!
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
Good point! Love the title, by the way.
The more I think about it, the angrier I get about how little sense it made. It just seems like an easy way out of the whole 'the snake is coming' problem that the writers dug themselves into.

I know there are some good creative types on here that rationalise these problems, so I wanna hear it!

Well, I don't know if I qualify as good creative, but I'll give it a shot.

First of all though, you've gotta tell me what does Lethe's bramble have to do with this? That might be a bigger puzzle. I'm lost on that one.

OK, but to attempt a fanwank on the questions you bring up concerning the students' willingness to help bring down the mayor, and Sunnydale's reaction to what happened.

You ask why it's never mentioned again. It is though, and more than once. I'm not into looking for the references right now, but they're there. There might even be at least one from Cordelia in Angel.

OK, so why would the kids help? Remember The Prom? Remember how they suggest the students actually knew Buffy was hero girl? OK, also do you remember this from The Harvest?

Cut to Sunnydale High the next Monday. Everything appears normal. Buffy
walks along and overhears Cordelia talking to a friend.

Cordelia: Well, I heard it was rival gangs. You know, fighting for
turf? But all I can tell you is they were an ugly way of looking. And
Buffy, like, knew them! Which is just too weird. I mean, I don't even
remember that much, but I'm telling you, it was a freak show!

Girl: Oh, I wish I'd been there!

Cordelia: You should have been there. It was so creepy...

She and her friend walk off. Buffy meets Xander.

Buffy: What exactly were you expecting?

Xander: I don't know, something. I mean, the dead rose. We should at
least have an assembly.

They run into Giles and Willow, and the four of them continue to walk.

Giles: People have a tendency to rationalize what they can and forget
what they can't.

Buffy: Believe me, I've seen it happen.

There's a transition in the Sunnydale student body from what Giles describes in The Harvest to the pink umbrella acknowledgment of Buffy as hero in The Prom. At that point Buffy can say "Jump", and everybody says "How high".

On the Sunnydale reaction there's that scene after School Hard where Principal Snyder and the police detective invent an excuse for what they appear to know was a vampire attack. They say they will tell the press it was a gang on PCP. Apparently that's the way that sort of stuff is done in Sunnydale. It's never really explained exactly why. It's suggested it was a policy of the Mayor's, but it appears to continue even after he's gone. I guess it just got comfortable as a way to deal.

Also...didn't Dark Willow, or somebody say something about the police in Sunnydale being profoundly stupid? And what's-her-name (was it Nancy?) who's boyfriend turns into a giant worm in Beneath You suggests there is talk about the kind of things that go on in Sunnydale.

Will any of that help? It's kind of like connect the dots, and create your own rationalization.
 
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Lindsey McDonald
Why did no-one give you karma? I agree completely, btw.
Airam
Airam
I completely agree as well. I think its the very best explanation.
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Spirit_Of_Fred
good post, and points for linking to a definition of fanwank :)
Actually yes! And it actually put a smile on my face as well. Not leaving me feeling 'wow, someone just outsmarted me'!

Oh and the Lethe's bramble thing has nothing to do with it all. Just thought it was a good title for a post about forgetting about stuff that has happened.
Thanks man, you're always good at dealing with the questions people throw out there.
 
I agree with nerd4hire.
By this point, the senior class had seen so much weird stuff, the mayor turning into a giant snake and attacking them wasn't completely out of the norm. Just to name SOME of the stuff they've experienced: a few students eating their principal, girls bursting into flame in the gym, mysterious disappearances, attacks on the school by people with wrinkly faces, a cop going nuts during career day and shooting at people, food turning into snakes in the cafeteria, the hostage situations at the Bronze, the list goes on and on. And somehow, during all of these things, Buffy was able to save them. They had noticed, as we saw in The Prom. So I don't think it's too strange they were willing to help during graduation.
 
What I think is strange is that they were willing to show up at Graduation. If Buffy told me to arm myself with some antique weaponry so as to fend off the advancing hordes of vampires and one giant mayor demon, I think I'd take that as my cue to stay home.
 
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Relic
I totally get that thinking; maybe they are thinking if they don't fight it now they will be food for it latter though, or maybe they are protecting their family or pissed off or something. I'm thinking they decided to defend the homefront, i guess?
I think the people of Sunnydale knew. I think that nobody's really suprised when they see a vamp get dusted or something. But who wants to acknowledge that their town is over-run with demons. The students knew, we saw that in the Prom. They didn't talk about it later because they never talk about it. Vamps attack, they see them, but they chose to ignore. In away, it's a metaphor for the world, how much evil is there that we turn our backs to? That we know exsists, but just sit back and wait for heroes to save us? If all the German people hadn't ignored the camps, would the Holocaust have happned? Graduation day was great, because for the first time, the people of Sunnydale fought back. Personally, I kind of wish it would have continued.
 
BuffyElevated
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I Graduation day was great, because for the first time, the people of Sunnydale fought back. Personally, I kind of wish it would have continued.

I think this would have been an interesting thing to see come out of series, if not straight away then at some point. Although I guess in Season 7 they finally realised the enormity of the weirdness in Sunnydale and they all left.

And Palabra - I agree, I would have been pulling an Anya and leaving Sunnydale.

I think maybe what I would have liked to have seen is the actual discussions that the scoobys had with the students that convinced them to stay and fight. Not necessarily before the fight but a cool flashback while the fight was happening.
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I knew someone would admire my originality! Ok, so I'm not a creative person, or a writer, but something along those lines???
 
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Edmund Blackadder
You mean exactly like the 'discussion' Buffy had with the potentials in Chosen with a flashback?
i think the graduation finale works BECAUSE of the prom episode. if that scene didn't happen with them giving her the award, then yes, it would have made no sense them going along with her plan.
 
I think the people of Sunnydale knew. I think that nobody's really suprised when they see a vamp get dusted or something. But who wants to acknowledge that their town is over-run with demons. The students knew, we saw that in the Prom. They didn't talk about it later because they never talk about it. Vamps attack, they see them, but they chose to ignore. In away, it's a metaphor for the world, how much evil is there that we turn our backs to? That we know exsists, but just sit back and wait for heroes to save us?

I was going to say the same thing, Sunnydale knew that there was vampires and demons in the town and the town itself wasn't quite right. After all the supernatural occurences it all starts to click yet they chose to ignore it out of fear hoping it would go away.

The same with Sunnydale High that place had the most of the supernatural world on it, the students knew none of it was normal and that only Buffy could fight it. They just didn't want to say anything about it and just try to get on with things. It wasn't until it truly mattered that they decided it was time to join in the fight... or die. It made it very poignant (sp?) for them all to fight as away to say we're graduating and we're not afraid of the real world and whats out there once High School is over with.
 
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