Liam/Angel and his sister

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I don't know if this has ever been posted before so here goes: what was Liam's relationship with his sister like? We know in the episode "Prodigal" that Liam had a sister. Since most of Angel's flashback scenes seems to revolve around his father, we know very little about his mom and sister. But from the glimpse that we have of Liam in "Prodigal", I get the feeling that of all the family members in his house, he seems to have loved and been close to his sister. I'm guessing something along the lines of Dawn and Buffy. I wonder what is the age difference between them? The girl who played Liam's sister, looked about 13 years old. When Liam decided to leave his house, he was about 26 years old. So I'm guessing 13 years difference : erm :
 
they seemed very close. maybe like he was some sort of a guide or friend or mentor to her. also, when he came back to kill them all after he had been sired, he killed her first. he said she had opened the door and invited him in, thinking her brother had come back to her as an angel.
 
i dont get it, spike tried to sire his mother, gunns sister wanted to sire him aswell, but angel (who we assume was actually close to his sister) just kills her.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Well, Angelus lacks personal emotional attachments to his family like Spike does. Also, Angelus is a bit more sadsitic than most :)
i dont get it, spike tried to sire his mother, gunns sister wanted to sire him aswell, but angel (who we assume was actually close to his sister) just kills her.

Why would he want a child to hang around, even a vampiric child?

I would have loved though if Angel's sister had been sired.
That would have been awesome.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
A child-vampire, grown, but forever frozen the body of a child...like Claudia in Interview with a Vampire...poetic, really. Yes, that would have been very interesting...
Well wasn't that the whole point with Angelus? He was a whole lot more evil than any other vampire we'd seen on the show? He was completely absent of any kind of humanity. So while others such as Gunn's sister and Spike, when sired still cared about the ones they cared about in life- enough to want to sire them too that is- Angelus on the ultimate flip side of things just wants rid of them. Wants to kill everything that reminds him of his human origins.
 
Why would he want a child to hang around, even a vampiric child?

I would have loved though if Angel's sister had been sired.
That would have been awesome.

i dont know, but you have seen vampires who want to sire someone in their family that they love. I just dont get why some vamps want their family to join them, and some want to kill them all .
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yeah, can you imagine that little girl getting into a fight, she would have kicked everyones ass haha.
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Well wasn't that the whole point with Angelus? He was a whole lot more evil than any other vampire we'd seen on the show? He was completely absent of any kind of humanity. So while others such as Gunn's sister and Spike, when sired still cared about the ones they cared about in life- enough to want to sire them too that is- Angelus on the ultimate flip side of things just wants rid of them. Wants to kill everything that reminds him of his human origins.

yeah that makes sense, good post.
 
they seemed very close. maybe like he was some sort of a guide or friend or mentor to her.


Was Liam sort of the annoyingly overprotective older brother, or was he the brother who liked teasing, making fun and playing pranks on his little sister, or did they see each other more as best friends rather than brothers and sisters, you know, like sharing secrets, confiding in each other etc. Most brother-sister relationships tend to fall in any one of the 3 categories. I'm guessing that it was a little bit of both of the 2nd and 3rd category.

It's really sad that we don't see any flashbacks dealing with his sister and what their relationship was like. Joss should have at least added some. It would have been interesting if he did.
 
Was Liam sort of the annoyingly overprotective older brother, or was he the brother who liked teasing, making fun and playing pranks on his little sister, or did they see each other more as best friends rather than brothers and sisters, you know, like sharing secrets, confiding in each other etc. Most brother-sister relationships tend to fall in any one of the 3 categories. I'm guessing that it was a little bit of both of the 2nd and 3rd category.

It's really sad that we don't see any flashbacks dealing with his sister and what their relationship was like. Joss should have at least added some. It would have been interesting if he did.

yeah, i'm thinking the second or third category, perhaps a little more of the third than anything.
and i think angel just killed her because, like someone said, he wanted to wipe out any reminders of his humanity. he is a lot more sadistic than spike or gunn's sister. it's always been said that it's amazing how much humanity spike took with him into his vampire state.
 
Why would he want a child to hang around, even a vampiric child?

I would have loved though if Angel's sister had been sired.
That would have been awesome.

When Angelus decided to sire Drusilla, he didn't know her personally, at least the human-Liam (neither did Angelus) had not known the human-Drusilla personally. She was not his neighbor, girlfriend, close-friend, sister, cousin or whatever. Angelus had heard about Drusilla's powers of foresight, her purity, her chastity and sweetness of her character through Darla. But other than that he didn't have any personal connection or attachment to her. So when he decided to take up Drusilla as his obsessive pet-project, he didn't actually know her personally. As far as Angelus was concerned, Drusilla was a stranger to him.

But if Angelus had decided to sire his sister, he most probably would have tortured her in ways that were ten-twenty times worse than what he did to Drusilla. Because unlike his relationship with Drusilla (or the lack of one, before he had turned her into a vampire), his relationship with his sister had some personal connection. In other words, siring his sister wouldn't be just some obsessive-pet project, but something that he would have taken very personally.

As I said earlier, the human-Liam seemed to be quite close to his sister. If you notice in the flashback scenes in "The Prodigal" , when Liam is about to leave his house once and for all, he bids a tearful and intense goodbye to his sister, but he doesn't even say anything to his mom and of course his dad gets all the harsh words. To me, it seemed like he was really going to miss his sister. From that I can make a pretty good guess that he and his sister shared a very close-relationship and his sister was most probably the only family member who understood Liam and was a good friend to him, and he in turn loved and adored his baby sister. His sister most probably inspired feelings of love, affection and adoration in her big-brother's heart towards herself.

My point is: Love, affection and adoration are VERY much human emotions and feelings which Angelus hates and despises. Human emotions and feelings (like love) is everything that Angelus stands against.

Remember in Buffy The Vampire Slayer season 2 episode, "Innocence", when Spike asks him why he is so hell-bent on hurting Buffy, to which Angelus replies:

Angelus: She made me feel like a human being. That's not the kind of thing you just forgive.

So if he wanted to sire his sister, he would have taken it quite personally, because she made him feel human, in other words, she made him (the human Liam) feel emotions like love towards herself. If he had decided to sire his kid-sister, he most probably would have harassed, humiliated, tormented, tortured, abused (and yes, even sexual abuse) and eventually rape her (i feel sick to my stomach as i type this, but this is Angelus we are talking about. He is a psychopathic, sadistic bastard who is capable of doing anything) and then finally sire her. It's his way of twisting, warping, poisoning and ultimately destroying any real love that the human-Liam had for his sister.

Now that I think of it, I'm actually glad that he killed her, because in cases like this, death is a sweet release from any pain, suffering and torment that his little sister would have had to undergo.
 
I thought that whole flashback was sad... Especially because Liam's sister seemed to be very close to him, and it was really heartbreaking that he killed her. I mean, we shouldn't really expect more out of an evil vampire, but still... It was sad. 🙁
 
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