Lies My Parents Told Me

[Vampmogs2]

In fact, all that badass posing might be to a good part compensation of mummy boy's tragedy... esp. given that even unsouled pre-Spuffy Spike was deep enough into the gray (admittedly, dark gray, but gray nonetheless) area to have The Judge immediately wanting to burn him away because of being "too human". In the evil soulless monster business, Spike never could hold a candle to Angelus, and that's not for lack of trying given that he always competed with him as the eternal rival in a twisted Oedipal triangle.

I've always felt the writers on Btvs played up soulless Spike's "humanity" way too much. I mean he wasn't any different to the vamps James or Elizabeth in Ats. Nor for that matter Vamp Gunn in Ats: After the Fall or even Harmony in Ats s5. The Judge considers burning Spike, but he also considers burning Dru and burns the vampire Dalton because he loves to read. If anyone's the anomaly in the verse it's Angelus, the only one without any humanity in him.

Harmony and Gunn have bothered showed compassion to people like Spike did at times whilst chipped, Dru, Elizabeth and James also showed the capabilities to love as well.

I've just never seen Spike as that unique in that regard I gotta say.

What the writers boasted about in Btvs, on Ats they'd been doing it for years.

 

[InsaneMystic]

I've always felt the writers on Btvs played up soulless Spike's "humanity" way too much. I mean he wasn't any different to the vamps James or Elizabeth in Ats. Nor for that matter Vamp Gunn in Ats: After the Fall or even Harmony in Ats s5. The Judge considers burning Spike, but he also considers burning Dru and burns the vampire Dalton because he loves to read. If anyone's the anomaly in the verse it's Angelus, the only one without any humanity in him.

Harmony and Gunn have bothered showed compassion to people like Spike did at times whilst chipped, Dru, Elizabeth and James also showed the capabilities to love as well.

I've just never seen Spike as that unique in that regard I gotta say.

What the writers boasted about in Btvs, on Ats they'd been doing it for years.

While I agree to your examples, it can possibly be explained by all those vampires you mentioned are at least semi-regulars (or, in the case of J&E, "specialty one-shots"), so they wouldn't be interesting to the audience if they were all carbon copies of each other. They were able to do the "total, irredeemable evil with not a drop of gray" with Angelus, because we had his other personality as Angel as a contrasting backdrop to keep him interesting. They couldn't have done this with the others. See, if you take e.g. Spike and scratch out the romantic part of caring for Dru, you pretty much have male Sundae. Stakeable after one ep, perhaps with us thinking "mh, he might have been interesting enough for two or three eps", but certainly nowhere near fave character potential.

I assume the majoritiy of the "get staked two minutes after first appearance"-vamps would register as "pure" for The Judge. Having qualities that make The Judge wanting to burn them is probably a major requirement for becoming a recurring vampire role. :wink:

 

[Kana]

I assume the majoritiy of the "get staked two minutes after first appearance"-vamps would register as "pure" for The Judge. Having qualities that make The Judge wanting to burn them is probably a major requirement for becoming a recurring vampire role. :wink:

And you'd be right, at least according to Joss. He said most vamps can survives the Judge's touch.

 

[Vampmogs2]

While I agree to your examples, it can possibly be explained by all those vampires you mentioned are at least semi-regulars (or, in the case of J&E, "specialty one-shots"), so they wouldn't be interesting to the audience if they were all carbon copies of each other. They were able to do the "total, irredeemable evil with not a drop of gray" with Angelus, because we had his other personality as Angel as a contrasting backdrop to keep him interesting. They couldn't have done this with the others. See, if you take e.g. Spike and scratch out the romantic part of caring for Dru, you pretty much have male Sundae. Stakeable after one ep, perhaps with us thinking "mh, he might have been interesting enough for two or three eps", but certainly nowhere near fave character potential.

I assume the majoritiy of the "get staked two minutes after first appearance"-vamps would register as "pure" for The Judge. Having qualities that make The Judge wanting to burn them is probably a major requirement for becoming a recurring vampire role. :wink:

Yeah I agree. It's because he was a main cast member whereas the other vampires were not, I can't argue with that.

Your comments actually just got me thinking about it that is all. 🙂