Manhunt 2 banned in Ireland and the UK.

Jill_Valentine

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... and I almost ended up on the news talking about it, although one of my co-workers got landed with the job instead.

Manhunt is an especially violent game. The premise is basically that you're a murderer pitted against other murderers for the benefit of a TV audience. It's a gorey, nasty game, no debate but... I don't like censorship. I don't like it a lot. Although Rockstar have a reputation for violent video games, it has to be said that the violence is generally an integral part of the game dynamics. It can't be considered gratuitous: if you took it away, the game would be changed altogether. The movie Hostel went through without any fuss, and that's a big gratuitous gore pie. It frustrates me immensely that games and movies are judged differently.

Anyway. Thoughts/ Opinions?
 
Censorship is all well and good, when it's just people putting rating on Games/Movies but when a small committee bans a game for an entire country, it's just stupid, clearly they don't speak for the whole country as there will be people that want to play it!
 
The official company line is that we never planned to stock the title because it was considered inappropriate for our target audience. Maybe it's even true, but the point is: if I sell a kid a game that's inappropriate for him, I risk the wrath of his heretofore disinterested parent. He/ She will then eat the head off me. Obviously, there are questions of good taste and moral obligations, but the point is: somebody who sells games will take a precaution to ensure that they are age appropriate, because otherwise we'll have to listen to demented busybodies telling Gerry Ryan that it's possible to rape a granny in GTA*.

But the problem right there is that these kids' parents won't have played it. The majority have no idea what these or any games are, so they're viewed with suspicion. They don't generally, as infuriating as it is to me, bother their arses to figure out what they are either.

If a kid comes up to me to buy GTA, I'll refuse him. If his mum comes up to buy it for him, I can't refuse her. I'll tell her it's 18s and describe the content, but I can't refuse her. I'll do my half of the job if you do yours.

"All his friends have it" is almost invariably the response. In other words, these parents will buy a game even if they don't approve of it, because of peer pressure their kid might be under. They would sooner cave and buy it than do their ****ing job as parents and say "No" sometimes. They get their kids 50 Cent CDs, and then they buy 50 Cent: The Game to match, because then they don't have to stand up to their whiny ten year old master, or because their whiny ten year old says his friends have it already. Then they blame games for their childrens behaviour. Whether you agree with a games' age rating or not, whether you believe they can really warp tiny child brains or not, it's telling that the parents of these kids would rather do what keeps their kids quiet rather that what they themselves believe would actually be good parenting.


On one occassion, I warned a customer they were buying an 18s title, and she just shrugged and said it was nothing her kid hadn't seen before. Cranky, I described exactly what it involved. She expressed surprise and in the end, she bought something else instead. Seriously missus, what the **** did you think it was rated 18 for, woman? Did you think it was one of those "Rated 18, but we really mean 10" ratings?

I sell games for a living because I like games. I like them lots. And while there is an arguement to be made that the more interactive element of games, the Wii controller is a good example, make them potentially more influential on a mind than a passively viewed movie, I'd like everybody to go out and buy Hostel. And then stab Eli Roth with it. We're running out of taboo in films, and only Joss Whedon - God bless his mighty heart - has the guts or the wit to object to the trend Roth & Co are going with. We accept violent misogyny, sadism, gratuitous torture porn, anything... in a movie, without batting an eyelid.

In a game, exactly the same content is considered far more offensive. People might not mind buying the damn thing for their kids, but they will object to it's existence in the first place. Now, I love Horror and I don't advocate censorship, particularly because Ireland has a history of getting it spectacularly arseways - coughMontyPythoncough - but the point is: people accept anything in movies now, but judge games by altogether different standards. Because people who don't play games do not or can not appreciate that not every game is intended for children.

And they won't listen to us when we tell them otherwise, because it would be too... inconvenient.




*This is an actual example. I had two morally outraged customers chew me out over that once, despite my patient explanation that I'd played the entire game, and no, it's not possible at any point to rape anyone. Cheers for that Gerry. Aside from anything, why the hell would kids want to buy a game just so they could rape grannies? I really don't see granny raping becoming a cool new trend with Rockstar's target audience... And how would you know she was a "granny" specifically? She might just be an old lady. Questions, questions...
 
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Does your nickname has anything to do with Jill Valentine from Resident Evil? If it is then I want you to know that I'm the biggest RE fan ever!
I am glad that it has not been banned in the USA 🙂 I wouldn't doubt that they will censor it or something. I own a Nintendo Wii , and I can't see Nintendo releasing an "Adult Only" rated game 🙁
 
Ah, brilliantly, there's a Resident Evil 4 port on the way very soon, complete with Wii controller knifings. That's a very definite 18's, that one. And I can't wait.
 
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Yeah, It just came out yesterday over here. It is SO much more fun to play like this.
Ive never played the first one but Im postivie it was banned here for a while too. I seem to remember a kid killing someone and the game got blamed.

Well that didnt last cos you can still buy it. In fact it became more popular.

Its stupid to try to ban it. Especially if America gets to play it. Why? Whats different in America?

Im gonna stop now cos when I get started about these things, I dont stop.
 
Out of interest what shop do you work at JV?

I work at Game and the "Oh he's already got them all" annoys me as well. Its just poor parenting which ultimatly leads to stuff like this. Parents are up in arms because the games they buy their kids aren't suitable for them and then theres a big 'moral panic' (to use that term without questioning its true existance. blah blah blah) and it gets blown out of proportion.

One thing I really hate about the Manhunt 2 situation is uninformed people are relating it back to the temporary banning of Manhunt. They seem to be forgetting that it was the victim that was the one with the game, not the offenders. And the victim's parents (well mother, dunno about the father) has stated she is glad Manhunt 2 is banned because of its content. So she is basically admitting she did wrong in allowing him to have it in the first place as it wasn't suitable. And yet she isn't trying to spread this message. Asking parents to make sure they playtest games first, or out and out refuse to buy them. Instead she's helping a flawed approach.

I semi-work for a gaming website and our editor did a great editorial (which I can link to if you want, but I don't want to seem as if I'm pimping) which I just wanted to quote:

The way to cut violence is to rebuild the ties of community and the family unit, give kids something to aspire to beyond owning the latest piece of blinged nonsense, increase social justice and make proper, safe schooling a national priority. Banning a game will do nothing: it is a distraction, recasting the problem in unrealistically simple terms that do nothing to address the reality of the complex world.

That is why the banning of Manhunt 2, for all its worrying implications, can be cast as pointless and pathetic: banning the game will do next to nothing to alter the public's attitude towards violence, since playing it would do next to nothing either.
 
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