Marvel Runaways...

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... if you've not been following it, is the best comic currently going. It's the first and best original idea in years, and it was brilliant even before Whedon was onboard. If you haven't checked it out, I strongly suggest you do so now. No hyperbole, no exaggeration. Six Los Angeles socialite kids discover that their parents are Superheroes. Then they watch them ritually murder a prostitute, and realise that no, they're actually Supervillains. The kids, framed for the murder, run... away, and slowly realise that one of their number is not what they seem. So the gang have to evade their parents, the cops and any passing superheroes, and in the meantime work out which one of them is could be setting them up for a fall.

While it can be said the series is (or was, a lot more so early on) marketed at younger readers, there's enough terrific dialogue and dark storyline in there to justify picking it up.

I have to say though, I'm looking forward to Joss' run as much as I mourn Brian K Vaughan's departure, which is as much as I'd someday like to see Gert Yorkes beat up Todd McFarlane. Aside from some very annoying Karolina stuff, it's never put a foot wrong. But Whedon was the only choice - the characters just bleed Buffy, and there's no truer successor to that show than this.
 
The digest volumes are cheap. Only $7.99 (US). Nice dull paperstock. I wish Marvel did that for all its titles. Anyways...Vaughan is great and Joss will do the book justice I'm sure.
 
Mm, the digests are great value. [old woman] Comics are extortionately priced now[/old woman] so it was a nice surprise to get that good a book for that little. The art's all clean lines and close ups so it works really well at that size too. Volume 6 is out in October, I think. Looking forward to it. I haven't read any of Vaughan's other stuff though. He did Y-The Last Man, right? When does the Whedon run start?
 
I try to be a Y: The Last Man cheerleader as much as I can be without getting too annoying. I love it. I read the first TPB of Ex Machina too. It's good, interesting, quirky...superficially political, which might turn some people off.

I think Vaughan's really clever, thoughtful. Fun references and allusions. I've only read vol 1 of Runaways, but I was thinking many of his pop culture references are gonna go right over younger readers' heads. Think Joss's run on Runaways starts next March? Something like that..

http://www.dccomics.com/media/excerpts/1736_x_1.pdf
http://www.popmatters.com/comics/ex-machina.shtml
 
Ah, the burden of cheerleading is a rough one, I feel your pain. I'm superficial, and political, so Y should suit me just fine... I'll give it a proper shot so.

To be honest, a lot of the stuff in Runaways is probably gonna go right over younger people's heads. There's references to West Wing, there's at least one implication of sexual violence and it's an extremely warped sense of humour that has the Goth chick activating her power through self-harm.

Joss gets a namecheck in Vol. 2.
 
Hm, Joamna told me to read this one (after reading this thread I believe), and I have just started... Well, I don't know anything about comics, since I only started reading them (as in comics in general) this summer. But I love Runaways, really really love, and can definitely see that Joss would be perfect for this.

I don't normally do the *does something*-thing but hey: *runs away to read some more Runaways, mhm*
 
Yup, I started readin Runaways after reading this thread, and I'm so glad I did 'cause I really love it. Like epo, I don't have much to compare it too, but I was still hooked from the first page. I'm really looking forward to reading more of this, and with Joss writing even more so, he will be perfect for it, mhm.
 
I just love this comic more and more for every page I read..

My first favourite character was Nico, but I'm actually starting to like Gert more and more too, it just took a while for me to really notice her, but she is awesome.
And also Molly "I wanted to be Princess Powerfull"..
 
Yeah I've gone through liking all of them now I think. I really loved them all – except Chase – equally for a while yesterday (heh), but now I'm back to only liking the girls.

And I don't know if I'll ever accept that blonde girl as "Lucy in the sky", 'cause hey, that's Lucy Diamond and, yeah, this girl obviously isn't half as awesome...
 
I know what you mean, they all have their moments..

Nah, she's not as awesome as Lucy Diamond, but I think she's got potential..
 
Nah, she's not as awesome as Lucy Diamond, but I think she's got potential..
After reading #9 and #10, I agree. I am really starting to like her, and thank god they stopped calling her "Lucy in the sky".

So, Jill, "“ or anyone else who loves this comic and knows anything about comics in general "“ both me and Joamna are pretty much addicted to this comic now, being someone who seems to be as well, do you have any suggestions on something else we should read? Would really appreciate any kind of help in our becoming-comic-geeks-mission 🙂

(And I start typing "show" instead of "comic" every time, I'm not used to this new thing yet, hehe..)
 
I'm just dipping back into the comic book world myself. Being the broken record that I am, I'd say Y: The Last Man!, lol. Same author as Runaways, same writing style, same twisted sense of humor...a more adult story though. And his new one, Pride of Baghdad is supposed to be amazing, I keep hearing..
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-Baghdad...=pd_bbs_1/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8&s=books

I honestly don't know of much that's like Runaways (other than Buffy itself). Jill_V may have some ideas. I assume you've read Joss's X-Men stuff, which is comic greatness. You may like Brian Michael Bendis, the current big shot writer at Marvel. I wonder if you guys would like his Ultimate relaunch of Spider-Man...
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Spid...=pd_bbs_5/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8&s=books

Bendis also did Alias, which is beautiful"”noirish, funny, adult...a tough, complicated female protagonist:
http://www.amazon.com/Alias-Vol-Bri...ef=sr_1_2/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8&s=books

And Powers
http://www.amazon.com/Powers-Vol-Ki...=pd_bbs_1/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8&s=books

I haven't even read enough of Runaways to even know what this article is all about, but this sounds interesting:
HEROES HELPING HEROES: CEBULSKI TALKS "LONERS"
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8337

How about Ghost World?
http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-World-D..._fullview_prod_17/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8

I never read it, just saw the movie. But I know Daniel Clowes has quite a rep in the graphic novel world.


My favorite bit from Runaways so far..

Nico: "So can we go the the police now? Please?

Alex: With what? We've got Gert's parents claiming they're some kind of time travelers, but we still don't have any evidence that they helped kill that girl.

Chase: Are you nuts? They've got psychic raptors in their basement!

Gert: And Siegfried and Roy have white tigers in theirs. Doesn't mean they're criminals, just means they're...odd.

Oh wait, I forgot Young Avengers!
http://www.amazon.com/Young-Avenger...=pd_bbs_2/102-4341775-7232931?ie=UTF8&s=books



Epo, I know you're a fan of the podcast. Here's a podcast interview with Brian K Vaughan if you're curious...
http://blogs.usatoday.com/popcandy/2006/09/new_podcast_y_t.html
 
E
eponinethen
Wow thank you! Will look into these in the morning, you are the best =)
J
Joamna
Thanks for this! I'm going to check these out, or let epo check them out for me, heh.
Wow thanks again goldenboy, I am listening to the podcast this very moment, thanks for telling me about it! I will definitely check out Y: The Last Man!

Through that site I found a post from Brian K. Vaughan at his forum, I don't know if this has been posted but I had to quote a few things Brian said about Joss:
[...] But to say that the dude was a massive influence on my life wouldn't even begin to cover it. Buffy, Angel and especially Firefly all made me want to be a better writer and a better human being. Joss's shows taught an entire generation of young typists that genre isn't something to be transcended, but to be embraced, that it's more important for dialogue to be true than "realistic," and that it's always better to tell a story that a few of us will cherish than one that everyone will kinda like.
[...]
Depressingly, now that he's taking over, I find out that Joss's ideas for the book are all infinitely better than mine. Seriously, he wrote this one sentence in his overview that was so good, I had to wake my wife and tell her that I was going to kill myself. And when I told Ruth the idea, she AGREED THAT I SHOULD.

Seriously if you haven't read it, check it out here: [Link]
(In that thread he also posts links to quite a few interviews with Joss about Runaways, dunno if they have all been posted here but yeah, it's cool, heh..)
 
Whoa. Well, Goldenboy's made some stellar recommendations and done all the work, so I'm just gonna cram in some of my favourites. Not necessarily in the same vein as Runaways, just stuff I like.

Unnecessary advice for comic newbies - Generally speaking, comics are released in individual issues and then, upon the conclusion of a favoured writer's run or a story arc, get reprinted in a Trade Paperback, generally abbreviated to TPB in nerdlier circles - pros, you get more story for your money and don't have to wait week to week, cons you don't get to be the first to read it and you don't get to grope the loverly, loverly cover art. Personally, I wait for the trade paperbacks, because otherwise I miss issues and go nuts.

Now, early in your comic reading career your Publisher Orientation will become clear. There are Marvel people, and there are DC people. Like Elvis and the Beatles, you can kinda like both, but everybody has a preference. Broadly speaking, Marvel characters tend to be normal people burdened by their differences who want to fit in, DC characters tend to be rich/ alien/ invincible sociopath who don't necessarily want to fit in because they hate everything. Marvel has Spiderman, X Men and Fantastic bloody Four. DC has Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Marvel delights in our heroes personal lives; DC is more concerned with the complex morality of super folk having to interact with normal folk. Marvel tends to have a broader spectrum of characters, DC tends to be slightly grittier, and quite a bit more violent. Buffy fans tend to be Marvel people, as Joss Himself is, so the Wonder Woman thing was slightly unexpected.

There's other publishers too, but the Marvel/ DC thing more or less defines your taste in comics.

Now, that settled.

Spin off comics are almost universally awful. It's tempting to pick them up out of curiosity, but do so at your own peril. I keep doing this, and keep being reminded of why it's a bad idea. They play fast and loose with characterisation, the art is usually distractingly weird, and they"˜re obscenely overpriced. The Buffy/ Angel comics, to be fair, are generally fairly good, but they range from Hey-not-bad to ARGH-MY-EYES!, so unless they're written by Joss Himself, be wary. Fray is spectacularly good barring some problems with the pacing towards the end. Monumental things happen and pass by because, as I understand it, the comics were so delayed the last bit was a little rushed. Still, excellent. The Silent Hill comics are the worst I've ever read. The (new) Battlestar Galactica comics are actually rather good, it must be said, although if you can figure out which character is supposed to be who based on the art, you'll be doing well. Given how much comics influenced The Matrix, it's no surprise that The Matrix comics are the best spin offs, doing something genuinely different with each story and using the premise as a starting point for new ideas. Because each story has different authors and artists, they vary a bit, but the quality is high all in all. I highly recommend "˜em.

Alan Moore is indisputably the greatest comic writer, and arguably, writer-full-stop, ever. His stuff is dense, bitter and multi-layered. It's not easy to read, and I wouldn't necessarily recommend him as a starting point, but he's the best there is, so there. The stuff he does can only possibly work in the medium it's in because there's so much going on at once. Notoriously cranky, Moore disassociates himself from adaptations of his work entirely, regardless of merit, and has his name omitted from the credits of any movies made. That hasn't stopped folk trying, and several attempts to translate his books have been made, with uneven results. V for Vendetta is probably the best adaptation there's been, but that was one of the simplest of his stories, and even then much of the characters' moral complexity was lost. Anyway, From Hell - which took nearly ten years to write -, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and John Constantine were all his creations, but his most important one was Watchmen. Watchmen is the best there's ever been, and every two years or so somebody tries to make a movie out of it. I don't think it will ever work, because the whole story hinges on an enormous scope of events, characters, subplots, comics-within-comics and arcs coming together at the last minute in a great big pile of genius. Ostensibly about ageing superheroes, actually about"¦ well"¦ everything, but mainly the complexities of right and wrong. I think. Don't be put off by how expensive his books are - it's worth it, I promise you. The man is probably the last true Anarchist.

The Preacher books are excellent, and a popular starting point. The Preacher of the title is a morally dubious Texan bloke who is trying to literally find God. With lots of guns, swearing, sex and booze. Not for the easily offended, the series has a start and a finish, and plenty in between, but the books stand alone so you can more or less dip in at any point and work out what's going on.

Lenore by Roman Dirge is a dementedly funny gothic series about a cute little dead girl who bears more than a passing resemblance to Tiny Toons' Elmyra. The art both cute and grotesque, and has made her the subject of a gajillion tattoos and avatars, but it's the warped sense of humour that really makes it. Whether she's accidentally killing the Easter Bunny or having yet another discussion about taxidermy - or even Mr. Taxidermy, a bloke with a deer skull for a head, the result of a "medical condition" apparently - she's just too damn cute. You can see some strips at Roman Dirge's Livejournal -Linky

The Walking Dead is an ongoing series about people trying to survive a Zombocalypse, and I love it. The creators of the series, frustrated at how abruptly zombie movies always end, decided to remedy the problem by never ending. So it's like a soap opera with extra zombies, the practicalities of living with zombies rather than all the dramatic stuff in the immediate aftermath.

X Men has always been my favourite series, but the range is so huge that the standard varies madly. Your best bet is to pick up Trade Paperbacks you"˜ve heard good things about, particularly Joss' stuff and stories from the 1980's heyday. The hair will be weird, and Rogue will have shoulder pads, but the overall quality dipped considerably in the nineties, and it would be no exaggeration to say that Joss' run on X Men has probably saved the brand"˜s reputation. I love X-Cutioners Song, but most people would recommend the Dark Phoenix Saga. I used to love Generation X but their series was cancelled a few years ago. However, they were Runaway's direct ancestor and one of their characters, Chamber, crops up later on in the series, so they"˜re worth mentioning.

There's a short Runaways/ Young Avengers crossover series, but be aware the Runaway's current line-up will be a spoiler in itself and it's not as good as the Runaways' own books.

Sorry about the Wall of Text, I just had time on my hands. 😀
 
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
excellent post JV
Oh don't worry about many words Jill, I've been sitting here with my cappuccino, reading your post, only fun, mhm.

Personally, I wait for the trade paperbacks, because otherwise I miss issues and go nuts.
Plus, they're cheaper and easier to find if you live in Sweden, mhm..

Buffy fans tend to be Marvel people, as Joss Himself is, so the Wonder Woman thing was slightly unexpected.
Personally, I knew from the beginning that I was Marvel person, it was just obvious to me.. And this Runaways thing just makes it more obvious..

Jill thanks for all the advice 🙂
Fray was one of the first comics I ever read – about two years ago – and if I remember correctly I really liked it. We have also – well especially Joamna – read Joss' Astonishing X-Men, and well, it's Joss so I don't have to even.. yeah..
Will definitely check out the stuff you mentioned, mhm.

Gah, Joamna, we need to go to Comics Heaven this weekend too, you know that right..? Heh 🙂

(EDIT: Again with the "we", seriously Joamna, we are freaks, we're not two people, we're like.. one. lol.)
 
Thank you so much Jill, and definitely don't worry about the many words. Big thanks to Goldenboy too, this is exactly the kind of info I (we) need.

It was pretty obvious to me that I was a marvel person too, I actually had a marvel discussion with a classmate the other day, and he seemed to think Marvel was boring (bah), but I told him about Runaways, and I was just so excited that I got him interested..

Like epo said, I have been reading Astonishing X-men, and I really like it. And I've ordered Fray, but it keeps getting delayed.

Lol, yeah we need to go to Comics Heaven. And also, appearently we have a big comic library here in town 😀

..and very interesting about that Wonder Woman thing begin unexpected, I had no idea. This is all so exciting, it's a whole new word opening up.
 
And also, appearently we have a big comic library here in town 😀
I know, I can't believe we didn't know about that, and I can't believe Jani didn't tell me about that! Heh, anyways, that's where we're heading as soon as I'm well enough to leave the building (grr damn cold "“ only good thing is that I can spend my day inside reading comics instead of in school not reading them)..
 
I know, I can't believe we didn't know about that, and I can't believe Jani didn't tell me about that! Heh, anyways, that's where we're heading as soon as I'm well enough to leave the building (grr damn cold "“ only good thing is that I can spend my day inside reading comics instead of in school not reading them)..
That's the plan!

And to try and stay on topic here, one quote from the runaways that made me smile
Sorry kid, Whedon got it wrong, Stakes don't kill Vampires they just give us heartburn
 
Beware, lots of potentially dangerous spoilage on this Wiki site if you're new to Runaways, but it's fun. I just had to take a peek..

Victor: Ho...Holy...

Gert: You're...you're...

Spider-Man: Yes. I'm Batman.

Spider-Man: And who are you, Son of Electro?

Victor: No! I'm...I'm Ultron's kid.

Spider-Man: Uh-huh. How about you, Purple Hair? You from another planet or something?

Gert: No, but my dog's a genetically engineered psychic dinosaur from the 87th century. Usually.

Spider-Man: I should have guessed.

Karolina: Our parents murdered that girl. We can't just let some giant monsters eat her soul, too.

Gert: Whoa, hold on. I'm an agnostic. I'm sorry but I'm not going to risk my life trying to rescue something I'm not even sure I believe in.

Molly: Chase! Did you see who we got to beat up tonight? Their costumes were really pretty!

Chase: What did we talk about, Mol? Costumes are gay.

Karolina: Hey! I warned you, misuse that word one more time and I'll--

Julie: Pizza? I hope this isn't insensitive, Jono, but if you don't have a mouth...?

Chase: Heh, "power vacuum". That should be Gert's new codename.

Gert: You're disgusting.

Molly: Could you two go back to hating each other, please? It made me barf in my mouth less.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Runaways#External_links
 
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