More dangerous Big Bad: The First Evil vs. Jasmine
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Robb Stark
King in the North
Jasmine, hands down.
The First, for all it's bluster, was beaten by a necklace. Even if it had killed Buffy and all the new Slayers, I don't consider it to have been a true "Apocalypse" kind of threat. Any military would have been able to take it down and The First showed, again and again, that it was really, really dumb.
The First, for all it's bluster, was beaten by a necklace. Even if it had killed Buffy and all the new Slayers, I don't consider it to have been a true "Apocalypse" kind of threat. Any military would have been able to take it down and The First showed, again and again, that it was really, really dumb.
Himiko
Potential
Well, Jasmine had a plan - a ridiculously convoluted one, apparently- that she puts into action and actually succeeds with for some time. The First ... I don't even know. First it has Spike killing people, under mind control, but then randomly decides not to use him yet, and instead ask the non- superpowerful, mostly untrusted Andrew to kill some Potentials for it? I know it was a question of actors appearing, but the fact that we never see Tara or Jenny appear to Willow and Giles, or Joyce appear more than she did, also kind of lessens the emotional impact of The First. Whilst the last battle with the First is pretty epic, it doesn't really feel like it was potentially world ending- we know that Angel will be setting up a second front in LA, and as others have mentioned on these boards before, the Initiative/ whatever it is that Riley is now involved with could get called in, it's pretty much all a question of firepower. With Jasmine, it's quite conceivable that the world might just let her take over- firepower wouldn't matter because no-one would be opposing her.
Jasmine can also touch (and therefore kill) people where the First can't. You could argue over whether this is an advantage or not, though. Jasmine could also be killed, by someone with sufficient power and strength, whereas whilst the army of the First is defeated, it's still "alive", it's not something that Buffy can just defeat.
Overall I went for Jasmine. Theoretically, the First could have been really threatening, but never quite lives up to the promise. I think Jasmine came closer to "taking over the world", if you like.
Jasmine can also touch (and therefore kill) people where the First can't. You could argue over whether this is an advantage or not, though. Jasmine could also be killed, by someone with sufficient power and strength, whereas whilst the army of the First is defeated, it's still "alive", it's not something that Buffy can just defeat.
Overall I went for Jasmine. Theoretically, the First could have been really threatening, but never quite lives up to the promise. I think Jasmine came closer to "taking over the world", if you like.
thetopher
Member of the Church Of Faith
Yeah, I can see Jasmine killing Caleb (although, being a Firefly fan that would be a weird fight-scene...), she was chucking cars around and pretty much being unkillable. Caleb got taken out by a sharp magical scythe-thing. No contest.
But, honestly, The First is meant to transcend dimensions or something, like its an infinte source of evil. It's basically unkillable. While Jasmine is a dimension hopping mesianic old one.
So technically the First should be way more powerful, but it can only act through something else, so...I guess Jasmine still wins. 🙂
But, honestly, The First is meant to transcend dimensions or something, like its an infinte source of evil. It's basically unkillable. While Jasmine is a dimension hopping mesianic old one.
So technically the First should be way more powerful, but it can only act through something else, so...I guess Jasmine still wins. 🙂
The Bronze
Rogue Demon Hunter
In the spirit of being different I've voted for The First Evil. I mean it's the root of all evil, surely it takes some credit for the evil and danger caused by others? Jasmine had a plan for world peace at the cost of snacking on a few people. It lasted for a few weeks before she was defeated by her name and Connor. The First Evil hasn't gone anywhere. It's just been temporarily foiled. There's still lots of evil in the world and at some point in the future The First Evil will likely regroup and try again making it much more dangerous than Jasmine.
dtrain24
Potential
Hate to say it, but probably Jasmine. She had a plan, and was able to basically turn people into vegetables just by them seeing her (not even in person, but on a screen), and the only cure isn't MUCH of a risk to her. Not many people would be able to have the wherewithal or strength to make her bleed. The only other group aside from AI that could stop her would be the Scoobies, that we know of. As soon as Jasmine indoctrinated every threat, it would be all over. Not to mention she is tangible, and could actually kill people herself.