Morena Baccarin Joins ‘Gotham’ Cast

I dont think Morena can save this show. It's a total dud.

The only interesting character is Penguin, the actor playing him is nailing it.

There's nothing interesting about an "origin" story when the characters have already reached their end. They should have made Gordon a bit dirty and had him reform and become the great cop, having him start out like that is incredibly boring.

Hopefully it will have a mid-season turn around, like SHIELD, cuz SHIELD Season 2 is naling it, and making Gotham look like crap
 
Fuffy Baith
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I agree, Gordon is not engaging but penguin is.
Taylor's Penguin is the highlight of the show. Logue (Bullock) is good but he hasn't had much to work with really. Though I hear they are going to delve more into his story. I just think they introduced WAY too many characters at one time.
 
Scobro said:
Taylor's Penguin is the highlight of the show. Logue (Bullock) is good but he hasn't had much to work with really. Though I hear they are going to delve more into his story. I just think they introduced WAY too many characters at one time.
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Yeah he is good, becasue he's actually interesting, but I agree he hasn't been given enough to work with so he's just a cardboard cut out of a character.

This show would have been awesome if it was centred on Penguin, and his rise to being a villain.
 
What scared me the most is I was talking with a cat at work about it.. and sarcastically he said he cant wait until bruce and selina run off on adventures together.. my jaw dropped. That had never crossed my mind. As much as I kept thinking no, no, they wont do it, rationally I kept thinking, oh hell yeah they will. Bruce and Selina will have some adventure and Alfred and Gordon will have to save them. Oh.. the horror.
 
What I want to know is, which Batman is this a prequel to? One of the movie Batmans (Batmen?) or just Batman in general, the abstract concept of Batman? It can't be a prequel to Bale's Batman or Affleck's, because factoring in the time the films are set (assuming it's within a couple of years of the release dates of the respective movies) and the age of the character at the time (guessing in the case of Affleck, of course, but he is supposed to be playing old, semi-retired Batman, isn't he?), the show would have to be set in the 90s or possibly the 80s, so the cars are too modern and the mobile phones are as well. Without that tie-in to another on-screen Batman, it just falls a bit flat for me. It's interesting to have this cop show set in Gotham but if anything they're over-encumbering themselves with too much Batman stuff. Penguin's ascent is looking promising but every other well-known Batman character we've so far seen as been poor to meh.
They're trying too hard with the relationship between Alfred and Bruce, too. It's nice to see a different angle to the faithful old retainer but they've gone slightly over the top, I reckon.
 
It's not a prequel to the crap movies, it's based in the comics, which the showrunner has clearly read (other than making Gordon and Bullock the officers on the Wayne case, but it was necessary). It's not an exact prequel, because they've, say, brought in cops (Allen & Montoya) from the Batman era into Bruce Wayne's past, but at least there's a nod.
 
Yeah, the show is clearly going for a Batman: Year One comic book feel, (it also has echoes of the excellent Batman: Long Halloween GN- the way its fleshing out the underworld) with a concentration on the coming Mob war (between Falcone and Maroni), the almost total police/city corruption and shades of some of the important future characters.

I still think it has plenty of potential- and to say it's in it's first season its got a solid foundation for future improvement. 🙂
 
The worst part is, they can take 3, 4 or 7 years- however long the series runs, and build a nice solid world, but you'll never see a batman inside of that world.
 
But that's the whole point. I wouldn't WANT to see Batman in that world.

And, frankly, you aren't going to see Batman on tv because of rights issues, so be happy we could get this 😀
 
And in the brief time since I posted I have figured out how you COULD actually see Batman without seeing Batman. But ya know, the ending of Smallville at least you did get a glimpse of Superman.

I am happy I got Gotham, I just wish it were a little tighter. But I can see where it's going. And you can see why Gordon and Batman feel compelled to clean up the situation.
 
hmmm... so it's not a prequel at all? I didn't know that. It has been promoted as that sort of thing most of the places I've seen stuff about it. That solves the chronology issue, but then raises the question why: Why is it not a part of DC's cinematic universe, like S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of Marvel's? It's just floating there, alone and disjointed. These characters will go nowhere (or these iterations of these characters anyway) because rights issues will keep Batman off TV and the show doesn't link in to anything else. It's much harder to get invested in the characters knowing that a new version of them will be along in no time.
 
Still a Scoobie said:
Why is it not a part of DC's cinematic universe
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Because that way the writers are not incumbered in matching and creating the same shared universe across multiple networks and films. With Gotham, Flash/Arrow, Constantine not being innerconnected with one another (or the films) it gives each show a chance to tell their own stories. You can tell independent stories versus having one interdependent narrative the way Marvel is doing it.
 
I get that, but it makes the characters pointless, really. A TV show about characters who will be appearing in movies soon but they're not the same characters? If they're sticking close to the comics then good, it's nice to see an adaptation that doesn't crap all over it's source material but on the other hand those stories have been told.
This show was missold to me somewhat and that isn't it's fault but even looking at it in this new light, I just can't bring myself to care. If the show sticks too closely to the comics it's adding nothing, really. And as it doesn't link to the films that just means that in a year or two's time (assuming it's still on the air) there'll be at least three different versions of these characters (or two different versions with one version being given in two different ways). It just seems pointless to me.
They are, as I said before, over-encumbering themselves with cameos for Batman-villains in the making and if that doesn't lead into a world where Batman is going to come in and sort them all out, where the hell is it going to go? So far I've seen Penguin, Poison Ivy and "Cat" and they're going to develop into villains, either on-screen or off. If it's off-screen then how on earth does the show carry on being about GCPD? "Yep, there's all these big weirdo criminals out there but we never cross paths with them because reasons" and if they are on-screen then in order to a) not tamper with canon of these being Batman's enemies and b) avoid using the character of Batman (seeing as they apparently can't use him on TV), they're then going to have to have these villains do what? Give up for no reason and disappear? Continually get away with their crimes because there's nobody to take them down? Either of these makes the protagonist of the show entirely pointless. Seeing as it's Gordon's job to make sure people don't get away with crimes then a city full of master-criminals all getting away with it or just disappearing after a certain amount of time makes him incredibly poor at his job.
You see what I'm getting at? All these characters are there and there's no way of telling their stories. Even Penguin, whose rise to power is going to be the thrust of at least this season, maybe more of the show as a whole is not going to get a whole story. He'll get to the top and have to be stopped but the guy who's supposed to stop him isn't anywhere to be seen. Unless Bruce Wayne is going to become Batman before the end of this show, all the loose ends will be left flapping in the breeze.
 
Yeah, we have the tv shows on the WB, the films and now Gotham, all portraying different versions of the characters.
Which is why I can't bring myself to care about any of the DC canon films such as the upcoming 'Dawn of Justice' Superman vs. Batman film. There's too many different versions of the characters floating around.
Bale's Batman is still in the forefront of everyone's mind (arguable the defining one for this generation) which is why Afleck's has a good chance of failing.

I mean, look at Spiderman, Tobey's Maguire's porteayal was hardly the definitive Peter Parker (in fact I like the new guy a lot more) but the comparisons are still made all the time, and as a result the new Spider-Man films are floudering already. (That's not the only reason, but it's a big one)

Personally I think Gotham can work (just like Smallville did to a certain extent, although so far Gotrham's writing/acting is far superiour) if they get the pacing right. It still feels like their using too many filler plot from week to weeks- which I suppose you have to do in any first season so you can build/weave the subplots and characters up.
 
Still a Scoobie
Still a Scoobie
agree re:Spiderman
Buffy Summers said:
If all you care about are the crap Nolan Batman films, then Gotham is probably not for you.
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And... that is the benefit for the DC. You can watch the 'crap' movies, and it not affect the TV shows, or vice versa. You can see the new Shazam! movie without having to watch other films to get all of the in-jokes, etc.
 
I'm a lifelong Batman fanatic and I've never had the slightest interest in this show. I don't really see the appeal too much; much as I love Gordon and Bullock, the real interesting stuff didn't happen until after Bruce became Batman. I never felt the need to watch Smallville for the same reason.

On the plus side, getting any media exposure for the character of Leslie Thompkins is always a good thing. It bugged the crap out of me that she didn't appear in the Nolan films. That trilogy was largely lacking any great female presence in general aside from Selina. I'm hoping the inevitable solo Ben Affleck Batman film features Leslie, preferably portrayed by Sigourney Weaver.
 
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