My Problems With A Song Of Ice And Fire

vellavu

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I expressed my dissatisfactions towards it before and I would like to elaborate and discuss with @The Bronze . Other people are also of course invited.

Overall Style: Apathetic PoV
The books' deliberately arrange chapters so that each one is occupied by a single person's point of view. The disadvantage is that it sacrifices many degrees of freedom in rendering the big picture. The advantage is that we can feel for each character easier and in a more focused way. However, it doesn't not make the best use of this advantage.

The inner dialogues are mostly the most on-the-surface one. It's like that the character in question is carrying a camera and a microphone, and all what we get are the recorded videos and sounds. There's nothing wrong with this style per se, but it can easily create an emotional barrier between them and the reader.

I think, between "novel" and "medieval history saga", it slides too much towards the saga part. Can I feel for Lincoln? King Arthur? Moses? Well sure it's possible, but I can't do it solely based on what they see or speak from the book form. What they actually think, what motivate them, can't always be inferred indirectly.

Characters
Arya: The Braavos novice job screwed her storyline. She already experienced so much tragedy, and practiced her skill in a lot of life-or-death situations. Her joining in the faceless men seems like a lame character reboot to me. From a tough rogue girl to an institutionalized assassin, it's becoming less and less interesting in my opinion.

Bran: It's just bad. He doesn't seem like a human child at all. OK, he should be put into a category of "sociopathic magic geek", which may be fun if he has a lot of personal quirks. But no, he's just some kid cardboard pulled around by visions and mythical forces.

Jamie and Brienne: The honor thing was very hollow. It's more like dogmatism and less like "gut feeling". A proper honorable medieval knight should be more "immersed" with honor in their day to day life instead of just reminds himself of some words in a few critical moments. If that's their characterizations I just can't tell how much I don't care about them.

Pacing
This one's criticized by many people already so I won't beat the dead horse too much. Someone said that the 4th and the 5th books are like Harry and Hermione wandering in the forest in Deathly Hallows, just prolonged by 100 times. And I agree.
 
Interesting thoughts! I will comment but keep in mind I have only seen the first 4 seasons, and read the first 3 books, and I understand that I am essentially missing on the worst books/seasons, so my opinion will be a bit skewed towards something better.

Overall Style: Apathetic PoV
The books' deliberately arrange chapters so that each one is occupied by a single person's point of view. The disadvantage is that it sacrifices many degrees of freedom in rendering the big picture. The advantage is that we can feel for each character easier and in a more focused way. However, it doesn't not make the best use of this advantage.

The inner dialogues are mostly the most on-the-surface one. It's like that the character in question is carrying a camera and a microphone, and all what we get are the recorded videos and sounds. There's nothing wrong with this style per se, but it can easily create an emotional barrier between them and the reader.

I think, between "novel" and "medieval history saga", it slides too much towards the saga part. Can I feel for Lincoln? King Arthur? Moses? Well sure it's possible, but I can't do it solely based on what they see or speak from the book form. What they actually think, what motivate them, can't always be inferred indirectly.

I think the big issue is that the author has to use to writing style, because there are SO many character, and all of them are in different parts of the world, doing completely unrelated things. But I will agree, in this case the style can be quite hard to read. For me the issue is I get to care for one character in one chapter, but the next time the character is even brought up again is 100 pages later. It's part of the reason why the books are taking so long for me to read, the style is a bit hard for me to get into when you have so many characters. But I'm not sure there are any other choices for it, and I do like following each character individually. Problem starts when the chapter is about a character I couldn't care less about, Bran being the perfect example.

As for the medieval history saga, I don't mind so much because I love that type of fantasy books.

Characters
Arya: The Braavos novice job screwed her storyline. She already experienced so much tragedy, and practiced her skill in a lot of life-or-death situations. Her joining in the faceless men seems like a lame character reboot to me. From a tough rogue girl to an institutionalized assassin, it's becoming less and less interesting in my opinion.

Bran: It's just bad. He doesn't seem like a human child at all. OK, he should be put into a category of "sociopathic magic geek", which may be fun if he has a lot of personal quirks. But no, he's just some kid cardboard pulled around by visions and mythical forces.

Jamie and Brienne: The honor thing was very hollow. It's more like dogmatism and less like "gut feeling". A proper honorable medieval knight should be more "immersed" with honor in their day to day life instead of just reminds himself of some words in a few critical moments. If that's their characterizations I just can't tell how much I don't care about them.

Can't comment on Arya as I am not that far ahead, but so far she is one, if not my, favourite character. Bran I completely agree, he's my least favourite character, I don't really like him at all. As for Jaime and Brienne, I enjoy both of their stories. Jaime really grew on me, I despised his character at first, but now I can appreciate him. Brienne I love, but I gotta admit it's mostly because GC plays her. And she's an awesome actress.

Pacing
This one's criticized by many people already so I won't beat the dead horse too much. Someone said that the 4th and the 5th books are like Harry and Hermione wandering in the forest in Deathly Hallows, just prolonged by 100 times. And I agree.

Again, I haven't read those books, but I've heard the same criticism. And even then, the first three books have periods where the plot drags on quite a bit. I don't really mind so much, but for the most part the show fixes that issue.
 
I really enjoy the TV show, and I've read about 3/4 of the first book. I've tried to start anew with it and get into it but I just can't. I read a lot, fantasy novels too, but these books make me feel stupid. The writing style doesn't work for me, for the reasons you've given @vellavu. That's my main issue with it. I can appreciate it but I don't enjoy reading it.
 
Characters
Arya: The Braavos novice job screwed her storyline. She already experienced so much tragedy, and practiced her skill in a lot of life-or-death situations. Her joining in the faceless men seems like a lame character reboot to me. From a tough rogue girl to an institutionalized assassin, it's becoming less and less interesting in my opinion.


Pacing
This one's criticized by many people already so I won't beat the dead horse too much. Someone said that the 4th and the 5th books are like Harry and Hermione wandering in the forest in Deathly Hallows, just prolonged by 100 times. And I agree.

Completely agree on Arya.

The fourth and fifth books killed any love I had for this series. I will not pick up anymore of these, not worth it. I thought it was essentially watching pieces being moved around a chessboard with nothing to show for it in the end, they're all in the same or a marginally altered position. Lame filler books. Might've been excused if they had been trimmed down to one book.
 
This is starting to sound like Russian literature where you have to remember the character they introduce on page 169 because he has an important part to play on page 718 but he is never mentioned between those pages. I have never read any of this stuff but thanks for the warning.
 
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