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You all make it sound like I came into this episode EXPECTING to find evil and menace. Hardly. It was something I happened to notice on the first viewing and remained confused about for the BILLION other viewings I've had since then. Hence my confusion and my seeking clarification here. And hence my annoyance that all I'm getting is "it's not there; you're imagining it" rather than "hm, maybe it has something to do with BLANK." I'm not just some crazy person, and I know I'm not the only person who's seen that in MT's acting in those scenes.
 
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Lou
Wait! You're NOT some crazy person?
Well, there seems to be some EXTREMELY differing views.

I vote for a recess while we ALL rewatch the episode and take notes. Who's in?
 
I'm not saying it's not there. There is a certain air of 'why is she acting like she's gonna rip Joyce's head off any second, she's her daughter' but I also see the other side.

Ever since the spell was cast, we were led to believe that Dawn wasn't who she was supposed to be. Buffy even accused her of hurting her mother...the writers led us to believe that Dawn was evil. So when the scene in question came up, I didn't think it wasn't in character for Dawn, not the first time I saw it anyway. I thought 'OMG, she's the bad guy! She's gonna kill Buffy's Mom!'

But watching the episode NOW, especially that scene, it's like 'why is Dawn acting like the creepy little girl from 'Angel'?'
 
Lyri said:
it's like 'why is Dawn acting like the creepy little girl from 'Angel'?'
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You aren't talking about the White Room girl?? what made her creepy??
 
Lyri
Lyri
she was creepy! Acting all innocent and evil at the same time! lol
I dont think Dawn was acting this way on purpose, i think we were just meant to think she was acting evil.
All she done was say ''want some tea,? i made it for you''(with an evil look) And she was rightly pissed off with Buffy. But she wasnt acting evil just to get back at Buffy.
 
I'm not sure what answer you're looking for.
Do you want theories that Dawn was feeling evil, was secretly evil, and the writers never got to it? I mean, yes, you're supposed to think she's evil in this episode. The viewers are already thinking "Ok, who the hell is this girl? What's her deal?" Then Buffy goes into that trance to find what's hurting her mother, and something freaky happens with Dawn...leading us to assume it's DAWN that's hurting her mother. So, yes, the writers wrote her in such a way that can be interpreted as evil so that for those few minutes you THINK she's evil.

No one's saying you're imagining it. The writers and director and editors and producers want you to think Dawn is evil. That's why the smirk is there, the things Dawn says, the lighting, the music, all of it. It doesn't mean Dawn is ACTING EVIL. It means she's acting in a way that can be interpreted as evil...which is exactly what they want you to think.

Just like how in S7, Principal Wood is super-charming and kind of sketchy, so you think he might be evil. Just like in S3, you think Mrs. Post is a regular (albeit obnoxious) watcher until you find out she's evil. Just like in S3 you think Ford is just an old friend of Buffy's before he goes all vampire-worshipping. It happens a lot in BtVS.
 
My problem with it is, (and I can't speak for BB...because she says she's not crazy and I am), that they leave stuff "unexplained" with it. Like WHY would Dawn act out of character just that one time? Likewise, why would Robin Wood just bury Jonathan with no apparent thought or surprise to a dead body in the bottom of the school.

It's fine to watch on the FIRST time around, but obviously they were intended to see more than once. (I mean who would get all those vague "Dawn is coming" references the first time?)
And when watching them the 2nd time (or 12th), they just don't hold up.
I guess I just feel like a show that can "foreshadow" Dawn 2 seasons beforehand has good enough writers to make stuff "fit" better.
Now, if we were discussing Beverly Hills 90210....I'd not be bothered at ALL by such nonesense!
 
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Dlou444 said:
Likewise, why would Robin Wood just bury Jonathan with no apparent thought or surprise to a dead body in the bottom of the school.
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Because he was trained by a watcher and maneuvered himself to Sunnydale High just for that reason. It was expected.
 
Because he was trained by a watcher and maneuvered himself to Sunnydale High just for that reason. It was expected.
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Really? Never saw Giles just roll over dead people, bury them and romp off about his day without asking any questions. Never saw Wesley do it either.
 
Dlou444 said:
Really? Never saw Giles just roll over dead people, bury them and romp off about his day without asking any questions. Never saw Wesley do it either.
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But we werent talking about them, either. Never saw Woods murder a human, never saw Giles steal a friends baby. You find a dead body laying atop a demonic seal and I dont really know what question there is to ask.
 
Dawn wasnt acting ou of character, she always pulled them faces and spoke like that
 
scobro said:
But we werent talking about them, either. Never saw Woods murder a human, never saw Giles steal a friends baby. You find a dead body laying atop a demonic seal and I dont really know what question there is to ask.
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Um....perhaps the SAME questions that you ask when the whole town bursts into song, bodies of people from the swim team seem to shed their skins, bodies fall out of lockers, pack of children seem to be possessed by hyenas. It's not THAT hard to say, "GEE! A demonic seal with a dead body! I might want to at least look into what it might be doing here and what kind of rituals people (perhaps students) might be doing and what might happen if this seal were to open"

We're not discussing finding a dead squirrel in the middle of a busy road!
 
Dlou444 said:
Um....perhaps the SAME questions that you ask when the whole town bursts into song, bodies of people from the swim team seem to shed their skins, bodies fall out of lockers, pack of children seem to be possessed by hyenas. It's not THAT hard to say, "GEE! A demonic seal with a dead body! I might want to at least look into what it might be doing here and what kind of rituals people (perhaps students) might be doing and what might happen if this seal were to open"
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Are you saying Dawn was acting *evil* on purpose?
 
Dlou444 said:
Um....perhaps the SAME questions that you ask when the whole town bursts into song, bodies of people from the swim team seem to shed their skins, bodies fall out of lockers, pack of children seem to be possessed by hyenas. It's not THAT hard to say, "GEE! A demonic seal with a dead body! I might want to at least look into what it might be doing here and what kind of rituals people (perhaps students) might be doing and what might happen if this seal were to open"

We're not discussing finding a dead squirrel in the middle of a busy road!
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I assumed he knew the answers already. As he revealed later that he
wasnt sure he was ready for the fight.
 
littlewilly said:
Are you saying Dawn was acting *evil* on purpose?
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*KONK* NO! I'm saying that the writers made a booboo on the OVERKILL of trying to write her to look "evil" without a reason for it. She doesn't run around with evil smirks looking like she's trying to kill Joyce later. Just that episode. With no real reason for it later.
Afterwards, she's back to Little Miss Whiney-Behiney. I get what they were trying to DO, but they could have at least written in a reason why she'd be over the top "I'm Up To Something", you know, maybe in the NEXT episode. Even if it was just a little line like Willow saying, "Dawn's been acting like she's trying to make you look bad and irresponsible to everyone the past couple of days, I think she feels like you look down on her." But, NOPE, nothing. Just one episode of these weird, "I'm gonna kill you looks" and then back to "I'm a big complainer person"

I assumed he knew the answers already. As he revealed later that he
wasnt sure he was ready for the fight.
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If he KNEW, all the more reason to DO something. Pour concrete? Heck, isn't it just 1 or two episodes later the girl from the Home Depot is able to drag Xander down there? A nice big LOCK would have been slightly better that rebury it!
 
Dlou444 said:
*KONK* NO! I'm saying that the writers made a booboo on the OVERKILL of trying to write her to look "evil" without a reason for it. She doesn't run around with evil smirks looking like she's trying to kill Joyce later. Just that episode. With no real reason for it later.
iner pe!
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Trying to kill Joyce? come on Lou.
It wasnt just that episode, she was always talking and looking
like that.
Tbh, i dont get what your on about.
Dawn may have looked evil but dosent mean she was evil.
I bet you've looked evil sometimes.
 
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