Non-Vampire Angel

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It wasn't until several episodes into Season 1 that it was decided to make Angel a vampire. If the decision had been made to make him a normal human with some sort of special grudge against vampires, how do you think that the show would have been different?

Personally, I can't think of anything in the story line that absolutely REQUIRED that he be a vampire. Even the Season 2 Angel into Angelus plot could just as well have been some sort of demonic possession. From what he demonstrated his 3 years in Sunnydale, there was never anything that he did that a normal, highly skilled and motivated human couldn't have done. It wasn't until after he got his own show and got out from under Buffy's influence that he really began to emerge as a superior fighter,
 
I agree except when you talk about Angelus. For me Angelus needed to be more than some demon possession. The storyline wouldn't have been as powerful if Buffy didn't set off the curse and her starting a demon possession would have been ludicrous.

Angelus also had history as a vampire with Dru and Spike, i'm not sure how his involvement with them would have worked if he wasn't a vampire.
 
VisionGirl
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Hm, I don't think story would be interesting if they decided for him to stay human. I don' t think there would be any materials for spin off and Bangel wouldn't be so special. I like him better this way.

Bangel? Special? When did that happen? Nobody ever tells me ANYTHING!

Seriously, Angel as a human demon fighter could have been made to be just as interesting, and effective, as he was as a reformed, ensouled vampire, just with a different set of limitations and talents. He might not be able to bench press a Volkswagen, but he could go to the beach and work on his tan on quiet days, or maybe even take Buffy out for a picnic.
 
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zobothehobo
I don't know when that happened either! I guess we're both out of the loop! =]
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Spikefan31
It looks like I missed the memo too :)
PrincessBuffy16
PrincessBuffy16
I can't belive you missed that. You should put your glasses while watching. ;)
It wasn't until several episodes into Season 1 that it was decided to make Angel a vampire. If the decision had been made to make him a normal human with some sort of special grudge against vampires, how do you think that the show would have been different?

I think they decided to make him a vampire to avoid any Pike comparisons. I mean, normal human fighting vampires with Buffy had already been done in the movie so not sure how much further it could be explored. Though they did try to explore it further with Riley but everyone hated that.
 
I've wondered about this in the past. I just can't imagine BtVS without Angel the vampire. It played such a huge part in the journey of Buffy .
 
As it is Buffy was risking her life protecting Angel; him human she would be doing that even more and she would lose him at some point because he could be more easily killed human.
 
I see where you are coming from WA. When he was in Sunnydale is wasn't all that amazing but he wasn't horrible. I think for the sake of his own show and how he really transformed into a superior fighter he needed to be a vampire.
I think it would have changed the show a lot. He stood out because he was a vampire. He might have faded into the background if he was human IMO.
 
It wasn't until several episodes into Season 1 that it was decided to make Angel a vampire. If the decision had been made to make him a normal human with some sort of special grudge against vampires, how do you think that the show would have been different?

I never knew that! That's very interesting! I definitely think BtVS benefited more with Angel as a vampire, the twist being he had a soul. I wonder if it would have been just as interesting if Angel was a human and then got sired while on the show. For instance, if he would have turned into Angelus or still had feelings for Buffy after being sired.
 
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Marisa
That could be an interesting twist.
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dan k
really interesting idea that
I just find it so hard to believe he wasn't a vampire script-wise in the first few episodes. I mean, his clothes are vampire-ish and he's hella pale! Plus he made a bunch of puns about biting and stuff - it seems obvious; like they did it purposely, lol.

Anyways. I don't know. I love Angel to death but I've never been too fond of the idea of human!Angel. I think the series would be very different if he wasn't a vampire.
 
BibliophileAnn
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Oh, c'mon: a Slayer who falls in love with a vampire, it's classic! (in a maudlin sort of way). No, it would not have been the same show without that aspect. I suppose Spike would've sufficed, but he doesn't show up until season 2.
 
BibliophileAnn
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Ok it wouldn't be the same but here's how I see it.

Pre-Buffy

Angel started off as a spoilt trust fund kid with way too much time on his hands. He is however highly intelligent kid who has an interest in History and due to his elaidic memory, does tend to naturally do well in school.

He also had a taste for women, alcohol, recreational drugs and getting into fights.

His father could be some sort of big wig, who is also part of 'Christian Right' conflicting with Angel's liberal views, especially as he knows that his father has indulged in his fair share of immoral behaviour. His father in turn chatises his behaviour, however there is a part of Angel who wants his father's approval.

Angel is however close to his little sister and would do anything for her.

In school he's pretty popular but ultimately finds his peers boring sheep, including the girls. He's always wanted to find someone, exciting and interesting, doesn't stop him from sleeping with them though.

He manages to get into college. I could see him studying History or Art. Anyway, what a suprise, he parties hard, sleeps with girls and gets drunk. Meets a prostitute/junkie called Darla. Cue a life of violence, harder drugs and getting kicked out of college. This leads him to get cut off, so he leads a life of crime to feed his habit. He gets a call from his sister saying that strange 'people' are harrassing the neighborhood and it's freaking her out. Angel of course ignores it and carries on down this dark path.

He does in a way fall for Darla but cannot seperate his feelings from the drug induced 'bliss' he feels most nights. He also discovers the world of vampire bite dens etc. Darla, however mysteriously disappears and is presumed dead. He also learns his family was killed. He investigates and realises (not unlike Justine) it was vampires.

This puts him at a crossroads. He can either continue to deal with his pain and guilt they way he knows how or he can become somone. He chooses drugs and violence, that is until a benevolent demon pulls him out of the gutter, helps him to refine his fighting skills, and sharpens his knowledge of the demon world. He then shows him a girl, a Slayer who can give him meaning to his existence. For the first time ever, Angel falls in love.

BTVS

Angel and Buffy meet, fall in love, everything is hunky dory. He sees Darla again, now a vampire who he manages to kill. Unfortunately, this is not before she drugs him bringing out the inner struggle and he relapses. So along with demons, vampires and various apocalypses, Buffy has to deal with her junkie boyfriend.

After a drunken suicide attempt by Angel, Jenny Calender dies tragically. Angel then spends what seems like 100 years in a hell dimension, other known as rehab.

When he gets clean, he realises he isn't right for Buffy who still believes they can make it work.

ATS

Angel uses his knowledge of what the benevolent demon taught him and also the skills he's learnt on the street to fight demons in LA. Using technology, street smarts and short term mystical compounds, he is able to fight vampires square off against not so nice humans, saving souls in the process.

He's fighting for revenge and redemption for his dark past. Will he ever find the vampire who killed his family? Could it be a certain blond haired vampire? And how will he feel if said vampire is now macking on his girl?

Ultimately Angel starts helping on an advisory capacity, leaving the main demon fighting to his newly aquired friends. Etc, etc.

In short, I can only really imagine it with Angel as a vampire, this is about as close as I could get. 🙁.
 
white avenger
white avenger
That's very good. Maybe better than what really happened.
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