Normal Again

I remember reading that Joss had actually considered using this episode as series finale... but it wouldn't have been respectful of the fans so he abandoned the idea. Nobody else remembers this?

All in all, it was a great episode anyway. Wonderful idea, and I loved the open ending.
Haha when I remember stupid show "Charmed" tried to do exactly the same to Piper, but it was just stupidly done. Well, it was Charmed.
 
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Karma for the Charmed comment. I remember coming across the episode and thinking 'Plagiarism!!!!! Really badly done plagiarism!!!'. Haha.
I remember reading that Joss had actually considered using this episode as series finale... but it wouldn't have been respectful of the fans so he abandoned the idea. Nobody else remembers this?

All in all, it was a great episode anyway. Wonderful idea, and I loved the open ending.
Haha when I remember stupid show "Charmed" tried to do exactly the same to Piper, but it was just stupidly done. Well, it was Charmed.


There was a medical show several years ago, "Saint Elsewhere," in which the final episode revealed that the entire series had only been the imaginings of an autistic child, and one entire season of the night time soap opera "Dallas" was explained away as just a bad dream, so Joss wouldn't have been the first one to use that idea.
 
There was a medical show several years ago, "Saint Elsewhere," in which the final episode revealed that the entire series had only been the imaginings of an autistic child, and one entire season of the night time soap opera "Dallas" was explained away as just a bad dream, so Joss wouldn't have been the first one to use that idea.

I think Dallas is The Classic example, haha. But while those are shared concepts, Charmed actually did the same idea exactly. Infected by some outer demon thingy, woke up in a mental hospital, told she had imagined the entire thing and that she had been in a mental institution for as long as the show had been running. They also had a loved one who had died in the show named as alive in the alternate reality as well. And I believe the climax was the character about to obliterate the other characters or their powers or something much like Buffy was asked to kill her friends. Then the other characters did a whole 'We believe in you, be strong' kinda speech that pretty much mirrored Joyce's. This is the only episode I watched in it's entirety due to the fact it came on TV and I was like 'Hold the phone....'.
 
Thought it was a very good episode , but what spoiled it a bit for me was the beginning . I think it would have been more hard hitting if we didn`t know that it was the Trio`s demon that had poisoned Buffy and caused the "illusuons". Anyway still a great ep.
 
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The things is, you don't know if it was a needle in the sanitarium that caused the demon to...
We never did really know if it was the Trio's Demon that caused it (thus making the mental institution reality false), because I believe they talk about new medication that has caused Buffy to come back to them in the same way she did in the Summer (When our Buffy was dead). So what if the new medication did treat Buffy effectively and her 'other half' percieved it as a demon attack, when really all it was, was a medical injection. Did that make sense?

I think that was the whole point of the episode- it gave two possible explanations for everything and both were as plausible as one another.
 
So were they thinking about making this the Season Finale or the SERIES finale? And if they made it the Season Finale for 6 how exactly would they have started/continued Season 7?
 
A lot of people criticised the ending of this episode with its lack of a definite resolution to which reality is the genuine one, ending on a shot of Buffy in the hospital. Maybe it's implying there is another reality where Buffy is just a sick girl in hospital. Also why, in her delusion would Buffy kill off her own mother?

Saying that, I did like this episode. I thought the storyline reflected Buffy's feelings, throughout season 6, of wanting to escape from the world.

Want are other opinions of this ep?


I think the ending wasn't about wanting to leave the viewer questioning Buffy's reality but their own
 
I think 2 things are possibel
1. if buffy's reality was a fantasy, why would she force herself to do stuff like kill Angel and die multiple times
2. The Asylum reality is more realistic

take your pick, really
 
This episode always seriously makes me think. I think I would have been in utter shock had they used this for a season finale. I don't know what I would have done. Probably fainted, haha.

But, part of me wonders and thinks this 'mental institution world' is plausible, but at the same time, I can't imagine why Joss would spend 6 years writing a show so close to his heart to have it ripped from our reality.

Then again, maybe the episode was a metaphor and a parallel for the viewers. As in, we use the world of Buffy to escape from the normality and harshness of our own lives. I know I do, which is why Normal Again is a very disturbing, but eye-opening episode. One of the best of Season 6 for sure.
 
Normal Again is a brilliant episode.
It really did make you go hmm, whats happening here.

I also like the open ending, its more fun that way. Good for discussions 🙂

Not sure if I would want it to be the finale though... in a way it would have been quite fun, but I think it would have left you with a very empty feeling wich wouldn't had been so fun.

/SK
 
This is one of my favourite Buffy episodes, second only to "Fool For Love." Part of what I love about it is the editing, which was always one of my favourite parts of the introduction to video production course I took about a year ago. (I'm minoring in film studies at uni.) The two realities were cut together so seamlessly, it's incredible. And how Dawn also exists in that reality, but as something that hasn't always been there like we know it to be. Pretty genius and when you combine it with my near on obsession with the word "normal" (well as much as one can obsess over a word or concept), you can see why I love it the way I do.

Oh and personally, I think the Buffy we had seen for the 6 years prior is the "Real 'verse." 'Cause part of what I love about the concept of "normal" is that no matter how hard the characters try, they are NOT normal (and the asylum version is more "normal" than the superhero version). I may not always agree with what's going on when the characters try to be normal, but I understand their motivations of wanting to be. Other examples of my obsession with "normal" include Veronica Mars in season 2 (after all, the title of the season 2 premiere is "Normal is the Watchword") and Liz Parker in Roswell (the fourth episode is "Leaving Normal" and by the end of that episode, Liz more or less succumbs to the fact that she won't be normal ever again, not after Max Evans said her life). Funny that, all of my examples have episode titles with the word "normal" in it at some point.
 
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Mhmm, the editing in the episode is simply fantastic.
I think 2 things are possibel
1. if buffy's reality was a fantasy, why would she force herself to do stuff like kill Angel and die multiple times?

Perhaps the times she "died" in her fantasy world in the asylum would be when she got better. At least for the time she "died" between seasons 5 and 6. If she got better and left the asylum, but had another breakdown, she could have in her mind made herself think she was in heaven for a time and was dead.
 
Perhaps the times she "died" in her fantasy world in the asylum would be when she got better. At least for the time she "died" between seasons 5 and 6. If she got better and left the asylum, but had another breakdown, she could have in her mind made herself think she was in heaven for a time and was dead.

Although, her description of heaven makes sense in terms of someone being lost in a delusion and not remembering, or wanting to remember, what happened while she was out of the delusion. I think that warm, loved, and happy all would work if she was with her family again, and without form and other fuzzy memories work for her repressing so that the delusion stays whole.
 
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damn, that's almost TOO fitting. :(
I have to admit that this is one of the very few episodes that I've watched time and time again.

The very, very first time I saw this episode I sat in stunned silence for a long while afterward thinking about everything I'd just witnessed.

Things didn't make sense then and still don't - somethings make sense now after reading the other posts in this thread.

I was aware that Buffy was supposed to have extra-ordinary healing abilities prior to Normal Again, but if you actually look at each episode in regard to the injuries that are sustained then everyone has the healing ability -- this would say to me that BtVS as a whole is a fabrication made in Buffy's mind because injuries, even to those other than the Slayer, heal fast.

For example - the cut Buffy receives on her brow that needed butterfly stitches. The wound is seen several times in the episode and the scar and the wound are gone after only a few hours. The same is true of other characters, Principle Wood for example, after Spike gives him a beating in the sanctuary at the end of Lies - the next episode, which I'm presuming (I may be wrong, but given the story timeline even if a few days had passed, none of the wounds would have healed that much) was the following morning.

The timeline in BtVS is scanty at best - we know that periods as long as a year pass (Xander and Anya's wedding is referenced) without much incident (or at least anything major to the story happening) this again leads me to think that Buffy is indeed in the sanatorium.

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Whilst she's hiding under stairs watching the Demon have at her friends, Buffy is impassive, she's just not interested in their plight and, as previously discussed in this and other threads about this episode, one way or another a choice is made and Buffy does what she does best.

Is it her loyalty to her friends, be they delusions made up in her mind or actual people in the real world that makes her choose to continue the good fight against the Bad or, is it that in a sanatorium somewhere a young girl looses the battle for her sanity and falls head-long into an almost catatonic state, thus maintaining and reinforcing the illusion - an illusion that cannot exist without the 'friends'.

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At the end of the final episode, the survivors are wondering what to do next - a reasonable thing to do given the circumstances, but what would a once unique girl do in the future now that there are others like her in the world? If, as I'm leaning toward, Buffy is indeed in a sanatorium now that she and the gang have survived the last Big Bad and are now apparently free to do what they will - would she recover and return to the 'real' world or is she too far gone? Now that there's nothing to keep her in Sunnydale (apart from the fact that it no longer exists) why keep up the fantasy?

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I suppose Joss had Season 8 and beyond planned and possibly already written at the end of Season 7 but S.M.G. (Sarah Michelle Gellar) decided she'd had enough of Buffy and wanted out to pursue other projects - a choice that I disagree with, but have to respect.

I agree with what James Marsters said - I think there were at least another two seasons worth of Buffy stories to be told before the writers would have ran dry, but after seven years playing the same character at twenty-two episodes per season, I think S.M.G. had had more than enough.

Of course, I want more Buffy - I would simply love the series to make a long awaited comeback and I'm certain in my mind that if the scripts, story arcs and the hunger to do it was there in S.M.G. and the everyone else involved in the original that it could be done - we can only hope eh?

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So, my current way of thinking is that Buffy is indeed in a sanatorium living the life of the Slayer, battling away against everything evil as we know it - and the demons in her own head -- she's adding layers to the illusion all the time and it all seems so believable to her, and to some extent us. We are embroiled in the fantasy as though it was indeed real-life.

Normal Again is thought provoking for me time and time again and the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Buffy is in the sanatorium - and makes me think about myself - am I in one too - is my life, boring, empty and unfulfilled as it is one huge delusion? Am I really sitting at my PC writing this or am I a bumbling mess some place?

Heavy, heavy stuff... and Joss planted the seed in all of our heads knowing that this particular episode would provoke all of these thoughts - he knew he'd piss off so many people in so many different ways and that's why, when all is said and done, he's a master story-teller.
 
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Joyce Summers
Wow. Just wow. I love this post and found myself nodding in agreement as I read it, hehe
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excelent deduction. i had been thinking like this also. and it is a wealth for the imagination, simply because it is a writer's fantasy the parrelles to make it true that Buffy is in an hospital. but i am with buffy better super girl than sick
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Aethra
Great post! Love the analysis
For example - the cut Buffy receives on her brow that needed butterfly stitches. The wound is seen several times in the episode and the scar and the wound are gone after only a few hours. The same is true of other characters, Principle Wood for example, after Spike gives him a beating in the sanctuary at the end of Lies - the next episode, which I'm presuming (I may be wrong, but given the story timeline even if a few days had passed, none of the wounds would have healed that much) was the following morning.
Scars or wounds are rarely shown (in any show) more than absolutely "needed". Not logical at all, but the way things usually are. Even though Buffy is a show way above average it isn´t without (logical) "mistakes". But we wouldn´t be the fans we are if we wouldn´t try to find logical explanations for every single thing.

Even if I don´t remember the exact quote Joss has admitted that logic isn´t his strongest point.

Am I really sitting at my PC writing this or am I a bumbling mess some place?
My vote goes to the first, since it would freak me out completely if more than one person "includes" me in their "fantasyword". But then there´s always the possibility that you are all part of "my" world. I think I need to go and lie down now...
 
The timeline in BtVS is scanty at best - we know that periods as long as a year pass (Xander and Anya's wedding is referenced) without much incident (or at least anything major to the story happening) this again leads me to think that Buffy is indeed in the sanatorium.
Huh? Where do you reckon a year passes without incident? ???
 
Huh? Where do you reckon a year passes without incident? ???

To be honest with you InsaneMystic, I don't think there's any place on the planet that doesn't have some sort of incident at some point during a year. The point I was trying to get across, and obviously I failed (no disrespect intended by the way), is that the time line of BtVS is skewed.

Yes, we are all aware that the show takes place over at least seven years... We are made aware of the time of year it is by the fact that there are Halloween episodes, at least one Christmas episode, Thanksgiving (even though I don't actually know when that is being English) etc etc.

The events of the last few episodes in Season 7 take place when? I certainly don't know and I'm not sure I'd even chance guessing. All I am certain of is that the events that take place happen in a very, very short period of time.
 
Ok I'm getting confused... I understood your post to mean that there is some kind of "skipped year" somewhere in the series, and what I meant with my question is where do you see that "skip" taking place?

(I have to admit, my knowledge of S7 isn't the best, I've only seen that season once up till now and don't have it on tape yet.)
 
Scars or wounds are rarely shown (in any show) more than absolutely "needed". Not logical at all, but the way things usually are. Even though Buffy is a show way above average it isn´t without (logical) "mistakes". But we wouldn´t be the fans we are if we wouldn´t try to find logical explanations for every single thing.

Even if I don´t remember the exact quote Joss has admitted that logic isn´t his strongest point.

Agreed that ugly wounds, scars, blood, guts and gore aren't the main stream in TV and nor should they be - but the arguement for and against the showing of the result of violence is a totally different subject - although I'd like to say that showing the victim of such violence in all it's graphic detail would for me, if I were a teenager in today's modern society where knife crime, shootings, robbery and a whole load of other crimes are committed each and every day on our streets (both here in the UK and I'm certain in parts of the US) put me off committing such crimes as I'm appalled by the whole thing. Some human beings are, with a shadow of a doubt in my mind the worst predators on the planet - and anyone, no matter who they are - should be locked away for the rest of their days for committing such crimes regardless of the severity of the crime - innocent people shouldn't have to live their lives in fear that next time they go down to the local corner store for a bottle of milk or a loaf of bread that they might not make it back home to their families in one piece.

My point on BtVS however, is that the Slayer and her friends always seem ready for the next fight regardless of how much damage is inflicted upon them by the Bad - they never seem to grow weary due to lack of sleep or hungry due to the lack of food. The wounds always seem to miraculously heal as though they never existed - which in the mind of someone living in a fantasy is proper and expected - if you were living in a day-dream where you or your friends got badly hurt on a regular basis wouldn't you want them to heal as quickly as possible? I know I would.

My vote goes to the first, since it would freak me out completely if more than one person "includes" me in their "fantasyword". But then there´s always the possibility that you are all part of "my" world. I think I need to go and lie down now...

Ah, but is it *your* fantasy world or mine we're experiencing here - your reply could have been conjured up by my sub-concious as a reality check for me... or vice versa... my original post could have been your minds way of getting past the freak out reaction that everyone would most certainly have in that circumstance to tell you that it's okay to imagine and fantasize about people you didn't even know existed twenty-four hours ago.
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Ok I'm getting confused... I understood your post to mean that there is some kind of "skipped year" somewhere in the series, and what I meant with my question is where do you see that "skip" taking place?

(I have to admit, my knowledge of S7 isn't the best, I've only seen that season once up till now and don't have it on tape yet.)

When the skip takes place is a damned good question - and it's one that I can't answer. As I said on my very first post of the board when I said Hello to the board membership, I came here to express my thoughts to the populace, but more importantly to gain insight into the show from other, more experienced people.

Like you, my knowledge of Season 7 is limited at best. But, the comments I'm making are from my own observations rather than known or previously stated elsewhere facts.
 
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