Official Discussion: 7.16 Storyteller

On thing I found a bit ominous, though. At the very end, when the *real* Andrew, not the Storyteller, is talking to the camera and saying he probably won't survive the apocalypse -- he's being realistic here, I think -- and he that probably shouldn't. Then, in mid-sentence, he just stops the camera. Turns himself off.

Is this forshadowing yet another suicide? Or maybe a "redemption death"?
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I didn't take it that way. I thought he turned off the camera because he realized that it wasn't important to do the documentary, that there are more important things to do. I gotta say, that was my favorite part of the show. Not that it ended, but that he definately changed in that scene.

I also loved the scene between Buffy and Andrew in the basement. I just thought it was really powerful, that what was needed is tears, not blood. I wonder if they had to be tears of remorse, as opposed to fear. I know Buffy started out by scaring him by telling him he needed to die, but Andrew didn't really start crying until he took full responsibility for kill Jonarhan.

I was second-guessing myself about voting for Jane Espenson in the poll for best writer (too lazy to go find it...sorry), but now I'm really glad I did it. She does a great job of incorporating humor along with serious stuff. A few scenes were corny (Anyas masturbation line was so predictable, I thought it fell flat on it's face.) But she does a good job of leaving you saying, "Wow!"
 
I think that in the end when he turned off the camera it was like him saying "Why am I doing this?". And he turned it off cause he realised that things are serious, not just a story - that he actually killed a person, one of his best friends and maybe his only friend.

Like he needed to wake up and he did.

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Originally posted by Eternal Darkness
I guess that I'm the only one that really didn't enjoy this episode. Andrew can be funny, but in the ep he was too whiny. I hated when Buffy was about to tell everyone about her vision and then Andrew walked away. Arrgghhh!!! I wanted to see everyone's reaction. The best parts of this ep were when Buffy, Wood, Andrew, and Spike were at the high school fighting, Wood was about to stake Spike and a student tackled him before he could do it, and seeing what Andrew and Jonathan were doing in Mexico. That's my opinion.😀 😀
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I actually liked that he walked away cause my god those damn speeches were getting repetive and boring.
 
Loved this.
I laughed every single time Andrew said "Vampiaere" or however he pronounced it...
All the flashbacks were great... i also laughed when he was making fun of buffy's long speeches and when kennedy and willow were making out but he was paying attention at Xander's work at repairing the house, that was so funny
Loved the season 1-3 references, invisible girl, killer dogs for the dog, monster swimmers.

I thought the students become Bringers was extremely cool and creepy. As so was Wood's possession in the seal.
Yes it was kinda corny the tear thing, but I think it kinda worked.

Godsss hahaha
 
Did anybody else notice that when Principal Wood's eyes glazed over and he started acting evil, his eyes kinda looked like Cordy's?
 
I went back and looked through the Mexico dream sequence and it seems that Razekiel and Allycat are right--the cheese-guy is there for half a second. I think the only significance is supposed to be that he shows up in people's dreams for no known reason, and also it's supposed to be a joke for "special" viewers like Razekiel and Allycat that watch the episode really carefully. 😉

Also, I'd just like to say that while I loved the episode, finding out what was going on in Andrew's head was truly disturbing. I mean really. Especially his mental image of he and Warren and Jonathan being gods. Seeing that was much more frightening than any vampire or demon they've had on the show.

As an example: take what we now know about how Andrew's mind works and think back to the week before last when he sighed and said, "Captain Archer" while nodding.

BRAIN: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
PINKY: I think so Brain, but me and Pippy Longstocking? I mean, what would the children look like?
 
Yep, like he's possesed. They attributed it to the seal, but that never happened to Buffy or anyone else, though the entire school was crazy, so maybe there was more power seeping through the thing this episode.
 
Originally posted by Jacklyn
Did anybody else notice that when Principal Wood's eyes glazed over and he started acting evil, his eyes kinda looked like Cordy's?
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Yes, definitely, although he didn't have the excuse of having a "vision" (I don't think), unless it really was that Buffy had had sex with Spike.

His voice changed, too, like Dark Willow's just after she sucked all the spells out of the books in the Magic Box and said, "That's much better." (Only her eyes went black instead of white.)

It might strengthen the case for those in the "Cordy is evil" or "Cordy is under an evil influence" camps in the Angel forums. (I'm too confused to decide, myself.)
 
Wow. I just finished watching Buffy (I recorded it), and all I can say is wow"¦my heart is still beating so hard from all the Buffy/Andrew scenes"¦those scared me.

Things I liked:
~The weirdness of the whole Andrew documentary, it shed a little humor on the situation, and also gave me a look into Andrew's thoughts, which I thought was really cool.
~The playback of many of the problems that Buffy faced in the past (invisible girls, mirrors talking"¦)
~Andrew's visions were hilarious!! I loved how he thought he was the evil mastermind behind everything, and how Warren and Jonathan depended on him. Then there was the vision of living as gods, and his story of how he fought off evil Willow.
~The seal turned the kids into Bringers? Crazy, but kind of interesting too"¦
~Buffy turning all evil on Andrew at the end made a nice twist to the plot. I seriously did think that she could have been affected by the seal, and really intended to kill Andrew, and these days it seems like anything can happen.

Things I didn't like:
~Bad boy, Spike. I kind of liked the softer, gentler Spike who wore the denim jackets"¦it was cute. Not to say that I don't like the leather clad Spike"¦it's just the overall bad boy attitude that I don't want in Spike with a soul"¦lol.
~Principal Wood. Ugh"¦he's annoying me so much! The whole twist with his mother and Spike made him interesting for a couple episodes, but now it's done. I don't like him hanging around with Buffy so much, just because it distracts her from Spike, and Spike and Buffy need to hook up again. 😉
~Where's Dawn?
~The Xander and Anya sex was a little unexpected. I think that relationship is done and over, it's been over a year since she was left at the altar"¦they both need to move on

Questions:
~So now Willow and Kennedy are going public with their relationship? Before, Willow was too embarrassed to even talk about holding hands with Kennedy, and now they're making out in front of Andrew's camera! What's up with that?
~I'm interested to see where Xander and Anya will take their relationship? I kind of think that they will begin to be casual sex partners, kind of like Spike and Buffy"¦more like a fling.
~The kids who turned into Bringers"¦what happens to them now that the seal has been closed? Are they going to just return to normal, or will they join the little team of Bringers to take the Potential Slayers down?

Okay, well that's my little rant for today"¦I'll probably watch it again and post more 😉
 
Actually I forgot something, when Anya and Xander had sex, the first thing i thought was "oh, anya's dead" because if you look for a patron in Buffy, always when a couple fights and then reunites, one of them gets killed... Giles and Jenny, Tara and Willow, I think Anya's next on the line
 
Actually I forgot something, when Anya and Xander had sex, the first thing i thought was "oh, anya's dead" because if you look for a patron in Buffy, always when a couple fights and then reunites, one of them gets killed... Giles and Jenny, Tara and Willow, I think Anya's next on the line
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Oooooh good point. But it didn't really seem like they were making up, as others have said, it was more along the lines of goodbye sex. Though I do agree with the previous poster that said it had been a year, whats with makeup sex after a year?
 
This was a really good episode. From the promo I thought it was going to be kind of stupid and non important to the plot, but it was a great way to ease some of the seriousness of the season a little.

It was good to give Anya and Xander some closure. I don't think they'll end up back together, but now I think they feel that it's alright to move on and see other people. The spark just isn't there between them, it seemed when they were talking about it.

Principal Wood is odd. I'm not sure if I trust him quite yet. I think he is one that could easily be controled by the First, because of the information about Spike killing his mom. This could lead him to be a weak person who is easily controlled, the way Andrew was.

ANDREW ROCKS!!!!!!!!!! Can I just say that this episode of Andrew was much needed. I'm so glad they gave him an actual character to evolve, cause now it seems that he might not die in the next few episodes, and that they might even keep him around for a spin-off. I think we will see a very different side of Andrew when facing evil. He feels the need to undo what he's done, and I think he will do whatever it takes to do that. I would love to see some Andrew fighting scenes. That would just make my day.

I loved the video he was making. The opening sequence of Masterpiece Theatre, the introductions of all the characters (buffy with the cereal, spike without the shirt, etc). And I really loved the Sunnydale white board! his pictures were hilarious. I hope to see more Andrew in the next few episodes, and i would LOVE to see him get into the opening credits at least once.

To Lorne the Host: I really really really hope that they don't kill Anya. That would break my heart. She has to be my favorite character of all time, and that's even over Glory and Queen C. I don't think they were really reconciling though, I think they were making the decision that it was time to move on.

Well, that's all for this episode. Must be off for school (bleh!)

Cate
 
in my plan we are beltless

i liked the episode, but my only minor problem with it that nobody else cares about, is i thought that wood trying to stake spike was a little too sudden.. it would have worked better if the first had appeared to him as his mother getting killed by spike right at that moment and told him to do it.
 
"Warren was cool. And wasn't Jonathan just the cutest thing?" Yes. Yes he was.

Has it seemed lately that the ending of episodes seem to keep the episode from being a little towards pointless altogether?

Okay, so what's the point of saying something when it's all been said already? So I'll just say, "Thus, the validity of the Bronsted-debye-huckel equation at low ionic strength has been amply tested, and the charges on the reactant ions are are well-known if their reagents are properly characterized." and go away laughing to myself.🙂
 
There was some hilarious stuff in this episode. The pig joke cracked me up, and I was ROFL watching the Andrew vs. Dark Rosenberg thing, but overall the whole thing left me kind of going "what was that". Then I watched it again a couple of times, and I find the more I watch it, the more I love it.
 
yeah, i liked this episode a lot mostly because it was told in a unique way. (usually my favourite kinds). i laughed out loud A LOT and i honestly love andrew's drawings of the bringers. they were like "evil-cute." haha

at the end, i totally thought that buffy was gonna make andrew bleed and i was scared! so i think that i really cared about his character, which is pretty awesome since i didn't really like him back when they were the 3 supervillains.

*side note* i think that once season 7 goes to dvd, a wicked extra would be andrew's documentary from start to finish! true? well, i'd like to see it heheh😉
 
Originally posted by jayj

*side note* i think that once season 7 goes to dvd, a wicked extra would be andrew's documentary from start to finish! true? well, i'd like to see it heheh😉
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They may not have an entire "Andrew documentary" on tape, but I but they had to cut a lot of hilarious stuff because of time constraints. I hope it's included when the boxed set finally comes out.
 
My goodness what a great episode! I laughed so much. I loved the Masterpeice Theatre bit - Andrew is hilarious and Tom Lenk did an incredible acting job. The whole thing with the diagrams on the white board was so funny. How he was pronouncing "vampires" and would do commentary as he was shooting footage... I totally agreed with him when he was mentioning that Buffy's speeches are always so long and the only time she's not talking is when she's at work. It's always the same thing - this is war. But nothing is really happening - to me it doesn't seem so much like war at this point. Right now it's more like a mystery "How do we defeat something we can't physically fight". I do agree that a war is coming but at this point they don't even really know what to do to prepare. They need more info. Can't wait for the next new ep!

Falcon
 
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