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Official Discussion of 7.22 "Chosen" (UPN-US) #2
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Pezz
Townie
Hee, first one on part two!
In response to GrimsWatcher, I think it was a slight combination of the two.
If they don't say anything about what happened to The First on Angel, I'll be mad. I want to know if it was truly destroyed or if it was just defeated as you said.
However, The First specifically said to Buffy that once her armies overrun the Earth, she will become corporeal so I don't think she became corporeal by all the Slayers being awakened, although it could be.
However, the script specifically says "The First is nowhere in sight." which I think means something. I mean, wouldn't The First want to continue to taunt Buffy? I mean, Spike hadn't done the glowy thing yet so I don't see why she would disapear just because Buffy told her too, but I digress. It's all really weird, and I want an answer! However, I do like coming up with all these theories and speculating also! 😀
In response to GrimsWatcher, I think it was a slight combination of the two.
If they don't say anything about what happened to The First on Angel, I'll be mad. I want to know if it was truly destroyed or if it was just defeated as you said.
However, The First specifically said to Buffy that once her armies overrun the Earth, she will become corporeal so I don't think she became corporeal by all the Slayers being awakened, although it could be.
However, the script specifically says "The First is nowhere in sight." which I think means something. I mean, wouldn't The First want to continue to taunt Buffy? I mean, Spike hadn't done the glowy thing yet so I don't see why she would disapear just because Buffy told her too, but I digress. It's all really weird, and I want an answer! However, I do like coming up with all these theories and speculating also! 😀
Primal Slayer
Did I Fall Asleep?
GrimsWatcher
Potential
Bejoxa's Eye did say that The First Evil has always been and will always be. If anything, I think the First Evil lost it's opportunity and now can't step in so heavily and accomplish it's goal. And I agree, I want The First Evil, or at least some of the loose ends tied up on Angel eventually. I don't feel I have closure.
Primal Slayer
Did I Fall Asleep?
I think it would be great if we saw acouple of Urber Vamps show up in LA since some of them couldve escaped
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
okay i read that "alternate script" (here: http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=731 ) or whatever .. and i feel it wasn't real.. like how someone said that it's just an edited chosen tran/script. i mean, there was one part that had Xander "welling up" about his own death. (i guess the person forgot to change the name to Anya..) haha
Jacklyn
Now a Scapenerd too...
GrimsWatcher
Potential
I don't now if anyone has mentioned this (or if I already did at some point), but I really liked the way Caleb died. First Buffy slashed from left to right on his chest, then she went vertical on him and sliced him top to bottom. It was the shape of a cross......
Anita Blake
The Executioner
Sorry for the lateness of the post! I know the finale aired a while ago, but I've been gone from the boards for a while. Sorry!
Anyways: I loved the episode, especially that Joss incorporated alot of his classic Buffy-humor in the episode. So many tiny hidden funnies like the first few seasons of Buffy. I don't think I could've standed the episode if it had gone out on a very sad note. Well, not that it wasn't sad, because you know, last eppy of Buffy and all that, plus Anya and Spike dying, WAH! I went through an entire box of kleenex on that episode. Here's a bunch of my noteworthies:
The entire first part with Angel. Especially the scene with Caleb rising:
ANGEL
It's the First, right? The First evil. The power that tried to convince me to kill myself.
BUFFY
Yeah. It's gotten a little more ambitious since then. It's raising an army.
ANGEL
Yeah, well, it failed once, and I'm here to tell you"”
*Caleb stands up behind Angel and knocks Angel down by hitting him with a cat statue, sending him across the floor. Caleb walks up to Buffy, black blood streaming from his eyes and nose.*
CALEB
Are you ready to finish this, bitch?!
*Caleb swings the cat statue at Buffy, but she blocks with the scythe and then falls to the ground. She swings at him with the scythe, but he blocks with the cat statue. Caleb knocks Buffy to the ground, then throws the cat statue at Buffy. Buffy stands, holding the scythe.*
BUFFY
(breathing hard) OK...how many times do I have to kill you? Ballpark figure.
CALEB
You understand nothing.
*Buffy swings at Caleb, but he grabs the scythe, holding it still, and punches Buffy in the face twice. He lifts Buffy in the air, pressing her back against the low ceiling. Buffy struggles, and Caleb finally lets her fall to the floor. He walks up to her slowly, then picks her up by her lapels.*
CALEB
(through gritted teeth) You think you have power over me?
*Buffy breaks free of his grip and kicks him, knocking him down to the floor. *
CALEB
Stupid girl. (stands) You'll never stop me. You don't have the ba"”
*While Caleb gets to his feet, Buffy twirls the scythe and swings it up between his legs. Caleb's eyes go wide.*
BUFFY
Who does nowadays?
*Caleb looks down incredulously at the scythe lodged in his body between his legs. Buffy swiftly pushes the scythe up through his body.*
ANGEL
(lying on the floor, regains consciousness and stands, angrily) OK, now I'm pissed. Where is he?
BUFFY
(looks to her right, then to her left, then at Angel) He had to split. (giggles devilishly)
That was great!
And the entire cookie dough/Buffy cookie scene that was just all sorts of funny.
The part where Buffy told Angel that Spike had a soul and he was like "Thats great. Everyone's got a soul now." He sounded so put out that he wasn't the only ensouled vampire now. He looked so cute! LOL! And then he says "You know, I started it. The whole having a soul. Before it was all the cool new thing." And Buffy was all "Oh, my God. Are you 12?" Then Angel really tickled me when he says "I'm getting the brush off for Captain Peroxide. It doesn't necessarily bring out the champion in me."
That was when I nearly lost it. Then to top that Buffy says "You're not getting the brush off. Are you just gonna come here and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?"
And Angel says "Aha! Boyfriend!" It was priceless! I've always loved how their arguments make very little sense sometimes, and that they are always funny. Well, almost always...(BTW, congrats to the people of Dawson's Creek you guys did great too.)
Then after a commercial break, we get back to Buffy at her house and when she walks in Dawn kicks her and says "Dumbass" That was awesome! I laughed so hard! And then to add to it Xander says "Don't look at me. This is a Summers' thing. It's all very violent." And Buffy goes "If you get killed, I'm telling."
Where did they get Party in Xander's eye socket from? That was just a wee bit gross as well as semi-funny.
BTW, great idea Buffy! Angel and Spike wrestling around with oil....hmmmmmm... Okay back on topic!
Besides, why was Spike dreaming about Footwear?
And go Willow! I loved it when she said "This goes beyond anything I've ever done. It's a total loss of control, and not in a nice, wholesome, my girlfriend has a pierced tongue kind of way." I spit my drink out! It was great!
Who else thought the Xander and Anya conversations were sweet? Like this one:
ANYA
(to Xander) Come on, let's go assemble the cannon fodder.
XANDER
That's not what we're calling them, sweetie. (walks out)
ANYA
(walks out) Not to their faces. What, am I insensitive?
(AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW! So cute!)
And I think that Principal Wood is good for Faith. I don't know about him being prettier than her though....*grin*
I'm not going to go in depth on the Willow/Kennedy relationship, 'cause I never really liked it anyways, and I think that maybe Kennedy is just a tad young for Willow....But anyways, for what it was it was kind of a sweet moment for them.
I think one of my two favorite parts would have to be though the time where they are playing the board game:
*Giles and Xander are looking intently at a map that's laid out on the table.*
GILES
I'm"”I'm"”I'm all turned around. You're here?
XANDER
By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.
GILES
That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter"” Right! I open the door.
*Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.*
ANDREW
(reading from a book) You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.
GILES
Oh, bugger it. Fight. (rolls dice, sips wine)
ANDREW
Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.
GILES
Well, wait a minute. What about my... (puts on glasses) bag of illusions?
ANDREW
(scoffs) Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly british man. (Giles sips his wine again)
AMANDA
I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.
ANDREW
(looks at Amanda) Step down, girlfriend, you can't just"”
AMANDA
Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it. (writes something down)
XANDER
Smackdown on Red Riding Hood. This could get ugly.
GILES
Could it possibly get uglier? I used to be a highly respected watcher, and now I'm a wounded dwarf with the mystical strength of a doily. I just wish I could sleep.
AMANDA
What kind of person could sleep on a night like this?
XANDER
(looks over at Anya, who's passed out on the table in the chair beside him) Only the crazy ones.(rubs Anya's hair as she snores)
That was classic! Trogdor...hahaha!
Xander was so cute when he told Anya to use Andrew as a human shield. There were so many cute little phrases used in the school that made me smile.
Then when its just the original 4 in the hallway, they have that scene that is very reminiscent of the one at the end of the first eppy The Harvest. Joss did really great to bring the show full course all the way back to the beginning with that. I give it 2 thumbs up, 'cause I only have 2.
Kudos Joss! Making all potentials Slayers! That was a stroke of genius! I liked how they showed it to! This could have potential in the future of Angel...
Woo-hoo! Brownie points for Willow for being a goddess! I always knew she had it in her! LOL! "That was nifty!" hehehe!
Bunnies! LOL! I loved how they brought that up even in the last episode! Brilliant!
I almost passed out when Buffy was stabbed! I was like "No, not again! She's already died 3 times..." LOL!
And Xander and Dawn killing the vamps with the skylight thing. Very ingenius. I loved the greenhouse effect comment.
I burst into tears when Anya was killed! I was shocked! She was the last peson I expected to die! I can't believe she's dead!
I was glad that Xander didn't see Anya's body. I don't think he could've left it there if he had, and he might've died with her.
I was shocked when Spike died but not as much as with Anya. But why 2 dying? Hopefully he'll be back on Angel though.
I liked the scene with Buffy running from the rooftops and then jumping on the bus. That was cool!
And then I started crying again when Xander and Andrew talked and Xander said "That's my girl. Always doing the stupid thing." When Andrew tells him that Anya died saving Andrew's life.
Then at the end! How could Joss just leave us hanging there after that funny conversation? Are they going to go to Cleveland? Where are they going to go? Because obviously they can't just stay outside the ruins of Sunnydale.
Allright, I'm tired of typing now. I guess thats all I have for now.
I loved the episode!
Anyways: I loved the episode, especially that Joss incorporated alot of his classic Buffy-humor in the episode. So many tiny hidden funnies like the first few seasons of Buffy. I don't think I could've standed the episode if it had gone out on a very sad note. Well, not that it wasn't sad, because you know, last eppy of Buffy and all that, plus Anya and Spike dying, WAH! I went through an entire box of kleenex on that episode. Here's a bunch of my noteworthies:
The entire first part with Angel. Especially the scene with Caleb rising:
ANGEL
It's the First, right? The First evil. The power that tried to convince me to kill myself.
BUFFY
Yeah. It's gotten a little more ambitious since then. It's raising an army.
ANGEL
Yeah, well, it failed once, and I'm here to tell you"”
*Caleb stands up behind Angel and knocks Angel down by hitting him with a cat statue, sending him across the floor. Caleb walks up to Buffy, black blood streaming from his eyes and nose.*
CALEB
Are you ready to finish this, bitch?!
*Caleb swings the cat statue at Buffy, but she blocks with the scythe and then falls to the ground. She swings at him with the scythe, but he blocks with the cat statue. Caleb knocks Buffy to the ground, then throws the cat statue at Buffy. Buffy stands, holding the scythe.*
BUFFY
(breathing hard) OK...how many times do I have to kill you? Ballpark figure.
CALEB
You understand nothing.
*Buffy swings at Caleb, but he grabs the scythe, holding it still, and punches Buffy in the face twice. He lifts Buffy in the air, pressing her back against the low ceiling. Buffy struggles, and Caleb finally lets her fall to the floor. He walks up to her slowly, then picks her up by her lapels.*
CALEB
(through gritted teeth) You think you have power over me?
*Buffy breaks free of his grip and kicks him, knocking him down to the floor. *
CALEB
Stupid girl. (stands) You'll never stop me. You don't have the ba"”
*While Caleb gets to his feet, Buffy twirls the scythe and swings it up between his legs. Caleb's eyes go wide.*
BUFFY
Who does nowadays?
*Caleb looks down incredulously at the scythe lodged in his body between his legs. Buffy swiftly pushes the scythe up through his body.*
ANGEL
(lying on the floor, regains consciousness and stands, angrily) OK, now I'm pissed. Where is he?
BUFFY
(looks to her right, then to her left, then at Angel) He had to split. (giggles devilishly)
That was great!
And the entire cookie dough/Buffy cookie scene that was just all sorts of funny.
The part where Buffy told Angel that Spike had a soul and he was like "Thats great. Everyone's got a soul now." He sounded so put out that he wasn't the only ensouled vampire now. He looked so cute! LOL! And then he says "You know, I started it. The whole having a soul. Before it was all the cool new thing." And Buffy was all "Oh, my God. Are you 12?" Then Angel really tickled me when he says "I'm getting the brush off for Captain Peroxide. It doesn't necessarily bring out the champion in me."
That was when I nearly lost it. Then to top that Buffy says "You're not getting the brush off. Are you just gonna come here and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?"
And Angel says "Aha! Boyfriend!" It was priceless! I've always loved how their arguments make very little sense sometimes, and that they are always funny. Well, almost always...(BTW, congrats to the people of Dawson's Creek you guys did great too.)
Then after a commercial break, we get back to Buffy at her house and when she walks in Dawn kicks her and says "Dumbass" That was awesome! I laughed so hard! And then to add to it Xander says "Don't look at me. This is a Summers' thing. It's all very violent." And Buffy goes "If you get killed, I'm telling."
Where did they get Party in Xander's eye socket from? That was just a wee bit gross as well as semi-funny.
BTW, great idea Buffy! Angel and Spike wrestling around with oil....hmmmmmm... Okay back on topic!
Besides, why was Spike dreaming about Footwear?
And go Willow! I loved it when she said "This goes beyond anything I've ever done. It's a total loss of control, and not in a nice, wholesome, my girlfriend has a pierced tongue kind of way." I spit my drink out! It was great!
Who else thought the Xander and Anya conversations were sweet? Like this one:
ANYA
(to Xander) Come on, let's go assemble the cannon fodder.
XANDER
That's not what we're calling them, sweetie. (walks out)
ANYA
(walks out) Not to their faces. What, am I insensitive?
(AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW! So cute!)
And I think that Principal Wood is good for Faith. I don't know about him being prettier than her though....*grin*
I'm not going to go in depth on the Willow/Kennedy relationship, 'cause I never really liked it anyways, and I think that maybe Kennedy is just a tad young for Willow....But anyways, for what it was it was kind of a sweet moment for them.
I think one of my two favorite parts would have to be though the time where they are playing the board game:
*Giles and Xander are looking intently at a map that's laid out on the table.*
GILES
I'm"”I'm"”I'm all turned around. You're here?
XANDER
By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.
GILES
That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter"” Right! I open the door.
*Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.*
ANDREW
(reading from a book) You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.
GILES
Oh, bugger it. Fight. (rolls dice, sips wine)
ANDREW
Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.
GILES
Well, wait a minute. What about my... (puts on glasses) bag of illusions?
ANDREW
(scoffs) Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly british man. (Giles sips his wine again)
AMANDA
I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.
ANDREW
(looks at Amanda) Step down, girlfriend, you can't just"”
AMANDA
Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it. (writes something down)
XANDER
Smackdown on Red Riding Hood. This could get ugly.
GILES
Could it possibly get uglier? I used to be a highly respected watcher, and now I'm a wounded dwarf with the mystical strength of a doily. I just wish I could sleep.
AMANDA
What kind of person could sleep on a night like this?
XANDER
(looks over at Anya, who's passed out on the table in the chair beside him) Only the crazy ones.(rubs Anya's hair as she snores)
That was classic! Trogdor...hahaha!
Xander was so cute when he told Anya to use Andrew as a human shield. There were so many cute little phrases used in the school that made me smile.
Then when its just the original 4 in the hallway, they have that scene that is very reminiscent of the one at the end of the first eppy The Harvest. Joss did really great to bring the show full course all the way back to the beginning with that. I give it 2 thumbs up, 'cause I only have 2.
Kudos Joss! Making all potentials Slayers! That was a stroke of genius! I liked how they showed it to! This could have potential in the future of Angel...
Woo-hoo! Brownie points for Willow for being a goddess! I always knew she had it in her! LOL! "That was nifty!" hehehe!
Bunnies! LOL! I loved how they brought that up even in the last episode! Brilliant!
I almost passed out when Buffy was stabbed! I was like "No, not again! She's already died 3 times..." LOL!
And Xander and Dawn killing the vamps with the skylight thing. Very ingenius. I loved the greenhouse effect comment.
I burst into tears when Anya was killed! I was shocked! She was the last peson I expected to die! I can't believe she's dead!
I was glad that Xander didn't see Anya's body. I don't think he could've left it there if he had, and he might've died with her.
I was shocked when Spike died but not as much as with Anya. But why 2 dying? Hopefully he'll be back on Angel though.
I liked the scene with Buffy running from the rooftops and then jumping on the bus. That was cool!
And then I started crying again when Xander and Andrew talked and Xander said "That's my girl. Always doing the stupid thing." When Andrew tells him that Anya died saving Andrew's life.
Then at the end! How could Joss just leave us hanging there after that funny conversation? Are they going to go to Cleveland? Where are they going to go? Because obviously they can't just stay outside the ruins of Sunnydale.
Allright, I'm tired of typing now. I guess thats all I have for now.
I loved the episode!
Queen of Buffdom
Klutz-o-rama
Angel's Luv, that was one megalong post. A lot of good points though. You've been gone for so long! 😀
Anita Blake
The Executioner
LOL! Yeah, It hurt to write it. I'm not used to typing that much yet. 😀 Thanks! I read yours on the other one. You did also. I missed all of ya'll and I'm back now though!
Spike8003
Willow Lover
there is no way any of the uber-vamps could of escaped i mean if the sun didnt get them then the sunnydale getting sucked into hell would have got them.
Primal Slayer
Did I Fall Asleep?
GrimsWatcher
Potential
As great as the episode was, did you see how fast Wood drove out of Sunnydale?? It took him about 20 seconds. Not a chance. I think it should of been edited with Buffy getting to the roof before the bus left, because she couldn't of caught up to it that quickly. Is the school on the edge of town??
GrimsWatcher
Potential
Might of been mentioned already, but did anyone notice Buffy used the Tuaric Blade to reopen the hellmouth. Andrew stabbed Jonathan with that blade, and when Buffy used Andrew's tears on the seal to shut it, the only thing that could reopen it was the Tuaric Blade. Most likely obvious, but I catch on slow!!!!
WatcherWes
When we were muck
eliza_404
charmed and dangerous
the last episode was a lil not on the reality side, and it was only half finished!, i mean, i think the veiwers wanted to know " what happened to buffy and the others?" or " are there any vampiers/ evil left in the world?" i was pretty mad on where the epoisde stoped but , it was a really great one, i mean anya getting choped on half! wicked!!!!