There already is. You can buy a used EV here (and granted we are not a huge EV market compared to a coast) for 10k. As far as needing new batteries it's the same as an engine. And engine with 100k miles is cheaper than one with 20k. So I don't see that being an issue.
10k is way over what most people would pay for a secondhand car, so yes it's definitely still a problem. If you could get one for under 5k then it might be more feasible for people, but how long is that going to take before there's a big enough secondhand market.
10k is way over what most people would pay for a secondhand car, so yes it's definitely still a problem. If you could get one for under 5k then it might be more feasible for people, but how long is that going to take before there's a big enough secondhand market.
Wow. You have bicycles here that cost more the 5k. But honestly, I think you cant compare throwing out numbers. The two markets are so different. I don't think the numbers mean the same. My first jalopy 30 years ago cost more than 5k.
But the thing is, it doesn't matter if you can charge at home or not. They have chargers at grocery stores, restaurants, malls, libraries, etc. The idea that the consumer "has" to charge at home is a non-factor once more fast chargers are in place.
It matters to me. I live in a town. I can walk to all of those places in 5/10 minutes. If I fancy a change, the nearest towns are all within 5 miles/15 mins. There's a (free) bus that'll get me there in the time it takes to drive and no worry about parking/parking charges. There's a train station 5 minutes away and I can get to 4/5 city centres in 30/40 mins. With a few exceptions, I can use a tram to traverse Greater Manchester (unlimited travel over 493 sq miles for £4.80). I can even get to the airport by tram (although this fact seems to have bypassed Rishi Sunak). My car is 13 years old and it's done 35,000 miles. Not being able to charge at home would be a big issue for me if I intended to keep a car (I don't think I do).
If the HS2 debacle is anything to go by, a network of extension cables/leads snaking across pavements and a sign saying "WATCH YOUR STEP" is the best we can hope for. I swear to God, the whole of the UK is gonna end up looking like a Heath Robinson cartoon.
Skanky VampThey can't force you to buy a car. If you not opt to do your part in "saving the world" by buying an EV then you can just walk.
The cost of adding a home charging station here is approximately $5000. Our power is 120 - 0 - 120 volts so you can charge from the 240 volt across-the-line supply that is used for air conditioners, laundry driers and stoves. But in my house, the power comes in on the opposite side of the house from the garage and you would have to rip part of the finished ceiling out of the basement to run the wiring from the fuse box to a site in front of the garage.
We have two charging stations at a strip mall within about a kilometer of us, but who wants to leave a car there and walk home and back to it or stand at the charging station for about four hours, often in the snow? Or do you have to have another electric car with limited range but the ability to charge from an extension cord? That's two cars needed to replace on internal combustion or hybrid car.
Another factor is that internal combustion cars can be made from iron and aluminum which are easy to extract. New materials are needed for a hybrid or an EV and this means that the carbon footprint of the internal combustion engine is better than a hybrid until the hybrid has gone 250,000 km and better than an EV until the EV has gone 500,000 km. You can make the case for a hybrid but the chances of an EV lasting long enough to come out ahead are substantially less.
But the thing is, it doesn't matter if you can charge at home or not. They have chargers at grocery stores, restaurants, malls, libraries, etc. The idea that the consumer "has" to charge at home is a non-factor once more fast chargers are in place.
If you continually use fast chargers the battery will degrade a lot quicker than if you use a slow charger.
And some insurers have already said that if second hand electric car prices continue to fall they will write a car off rather than replacing the battery which seems to defeat the environmental benefits of going electric in the first place !
But that is based on current standards and you would assume that battery technology will become cheaper, more repairable and more replaceable over time.
If the HS2 debacle is anything to go by, a network of extension cables/leads snaking across pavements and a sign saying "WATCH YOUR STEP" is the best we can hope for. I swear to God, the whole of the UK is gonna end up looking like a Heath Robinson cartoon.
If the HS2 debacle is anything to go by our beloved leader will probably keep pushing the deadline for only selling electric cars further + further back so we wont ever have to worry about charging electric cars 😉
And judging by the below comment he is also taking on the trans community - it will be interesting to see if that works for or against him with the voters
"We shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be - they can’t," he says. "A man is a man and a woman is a woman. That’s just common sense."
I can walk to all of those places in 5/10 minutes. If I fancy a change, the nearest towns are all within 5 miles/15 mins. There's a (free) bus that'll get me there in the time it takes to drive and no worry about parking/parking charges. There's a train station 5 minutes away and I can get to 4/5 city centres in 30/40 mins. With a few exceptions, I can use a tram to traverse Greater Manchester (unlimited travel over 493 sq miles for £4.80). I can even get to the airport by tram (although this fact seems to have bypassed Rishi Sunak). My car is 13 years old and it's done 35,000 miles.
All I can say is damn. It's nearly 5 miles to my nearest grocery store. The closest bus stop to me is a mile in the other direction. Taking the bus would take me 35 minutes to get to the grocery whereas driving would be there in 5. It really is a lot different.
It's not a lot quicker, it's very minimal. Extreme heat and cold damage the longevity of the battery far worse than fast chargers. A winter in Minnesota or a summer in Texas is more damaging than using a fast charger once a week, as Minnesotans that got the new F150 found out.
Now, using a level 3 charger on something not equipped for it probably could cause more damage but I haven't seen empirical evidence on that. I am not sure they are really testing for that.
But that is based on current standards and you would assume that battery technology will become cheaper, more repairable and more replaceable over time.
Actually just look at history, how much the batteries in the first (modern) EVs cost came out in the mid-2000s compared to now. There is a night and day difference. By the time the infrastructure is in place to handle more EVs on the road I don't think batteries will be an issue.
The real issue, to me, is something that not many people are talking about is going to be the monthly tax the EV users will have to pay as they become more predominant as you will have fewer ICE cars paying for road maintenance. Without the tax money mad from gas the state will have to make the money somehow.
Is it okay to run an extension cable from the living room, down the road and across a roundabout to the car-park where you left the car? Asking for a friend.
It all depends upon the length of the run and the wire size of the extension cable. The longer the run the larger the wire size has to be. For what I think your are talking about the extension cable would have to be the diameter of a sewer pipe to carry sufficient current to the car.
If the HS2 debacle is anything to go by our beloved leader will probably keep pushing the deadline for only selling electric cars further + further back so we wont ever have to worry about charging electric cars 😉
And judging by the below comment he is also taking on the trans community - it will be interesting to see if that works for or against him with the voters
"We shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be - they can’t," he says. "A man is a man and a woman is a woman. That’s just common sense."
"Almost £1bn meant to help build Britain’s electric vehicle charging network remains unallocated more than three years after it was first announced by Rishi Sunak.
Promised in March 2020 before the first Covid lockdown in Sunak’s early weeks as Boris Johnson’s chancellor, the “rapid charging fund” was meant to support electrical capacity at motorway service stations. It was intended to help fund upgrades to the grid so that more electric cars can be rapidly charged at the same time.
The fund is still not yet open for applications. A pilot scheme had been planned for late 2022 before it was pushed back to spring 2023, then the summer of this year...
In May the RAC found that less than a quarter of 119 motorway services had the prescribed number of chargers, so it seems unlikely there will have been enough progress to get anywhere near this target,” he said.
“Drivers making journeys beyond the range of their vehicles need to know they can quickly and simply recharge at these key locations. If this commitment isn’t delivered on it risks slowing down the transition to zero-emission driving even more.”
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