News Please Read: Changes to Rules/Faq

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One of the things members have been asking for is for the staff to be clearer about what is acceptable and what is not, and for there to be a clear and fair way for people to know when they’ve broken the rules. As well as for there to be clearly defined consequences for breaking those rules that all members are equally subject to.

With that in mind, we have spent a lot of time rewriting and reorganizing our FAQ and Board Rules. Please read the FAQ through carefully because a lot of changes have been made.

Here are some important highlights:

Infractions System

We have also put into use the Infractions System for the board. You will find detailed information on it in the FAQ. In short, we have put into place a “3 strikes” system. For most rules, you will receive 3 warnings before being placed into the infractions system. Then, once you amass 3 infractions, you will be subject to loss of board privileges. All of the infractions and their consequences are spelled out clearly in the FAQ. Each infraction itself “expires” after a set period of time (usually 30 days), so that you can wipe away any infractions by following the rules. It is our hope that no one will ever get to 3 infractions and have to be disciplined.

Signatures

We have changed the rules about signatures, so please read those carefully and make sure yours follows them. Note that we have changed the maximum size to 200 pixels high by 700 pixels long. Any one banner in your sig, however, cannot be larger than 150 pixels high by 500 pixels wide. This is to keep people from making one HUGE banner their signature. We have made the max a little taller to allow people to put small banners or buttons in their signatures in addition to a main sig banner. After a lot of discussion we have decided that this is the fairest compromise to let everyone have a reasonable signature that loads reasonably on everyone’s computers.

Visitor Messages: Important Change, Please Read!

There are two important changes being made to the use of visitor messages on the board.

First, all visitor messages from now on must be public. In reviewing problems between members on the board, we noticed that members were being gossiped about and in some cases nasty comments were being posted in visitor messages. The authors didn't see much problem in that, because they were thought to be private. But those types of comments are never good in any case, and it is too easy for such things to get back to the people they are directed at, especially with visitor messages which are viewable by so many people at once. What if you forget who you've allowed and who you haven't? It's way too easy to make a hurtful mistake.

We are taking this step for the good of the community, and feel it gets vm's back to being used for their original purpose, which is to leave profile comments (rather than as a substitute for private messages).

We will give everyone two weeks from today to clean out any messages they don't want others to see on the board before this takes effect.

The second change is that visitor messages older than 30 days will now be pruned. Because people have been using vm's as a substitute for private messages, the number of messages has gotten out of control in some cases. Pruning older messages will help the boards to run faster. In the case that visitor messages don't accumulate as quickly as they have been, we may prune them less often. But if there are any messages you wish to save, please be sure to do so before they hit 30 days old.

We're sorry for any inconvenience these changes may cause you, but we hope that you understand that the board will be better off in the long run for them.

Rule Change Regarding Abuse of Staff

In the last year we have seen a big increase in abuse directed at the staff. It’s been a point of discussion and concern for us for most of that year. We have put off taking any action on this, hoping that things would get better, and it saddens me that this is the tack we have now been forced to take.

This isn’t a new trend, and it’s not a result of the Time Out. I blame myself, because for 7 years I wouldn’t let the staff defend themselves on the board when they faced rudeness and even abuse; I required them to just take it and let it go. And that was wrong of me and set an awful precedent.

They have increasingly been subjected to rudeness, name-calling, insults, gossip and personal attacks. It’s come from private messages, visitor messages, emails and posts on the board. It’s hurtful, it’s wrong, and we have lost too many mods because of it to allow it to continue anymore. There is not one member of the staff, including myself, who haven’t been hurt by members. Every one of us has thought about leaving the board. These are people who work hard to make this a nice place for everyone to post, and they are being treated horribly in return. No one should be allowed to intentionally and maliciously hurt the feelings of another person, and we will not allow it any longer.

Please believe me when I say that if things continue as they have been, the board will be closed.

Some people on this board seem to think that because someone is on the staff, it’s okay to say whatever they want to and about them. That is simply not true. It hurts us, and it makes it more difficult for us to do our job.

Because of all of this, we are forced to put the “3 strikes” rule officially into effect. On the third instance of staff abuse, you will be banned permanently from the board. We don’t want to have to ban anyone, but we have to protect our staff so they can do their job. All they are trying to do is make sure everyone knows and follows the rules of the board, and make sure the boards are kept orderly and easy to follow!

We understand that you might disagree with a staff decision, and that’s okay. But that is not an excuse for bad behavior. Often, people will fire off an abusive and nasty pm or post without even trying to politely ask why a staff action was taken, or even trying asking for whatever change they would like to see. If people remain calm and polite, the staff will be happy to make it work if we can. But we will no longer respond to aggressive and insulting demands.

I know that the bullies out there are about to respond to this post by saying that we are censoring members or not allowing people to disagree with the staff. This is not the case. You are free to disagree, and express that disagreement appropriately. HOWEVER, the manner in which you disagree is what separates the bullies from the concerned members. If you feel a mod has acted inappropriately, please feel free to contact an admin about it. WE don’t want a rift between mods and members; unfortunately, there is an element on this board that seems to thrive on and even encourage one. But we will no longer let those people benefit from our hard work while they bash us or argue just to argue.
 
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I think all those rules are great. It made me a little sad to think that all you mods have had your feelings hurt by personal attacks. I hope that when I have questioned things in the past I have managed to keep from being rude.

I also think that it is incredibly sad that a 3 strike system has been necessery to control people, but I think it will be a nice addition, especially so that people will know exactly what they have done wrong so they have a chance to fix their behaviour.
 
All of that seems sensible enough, even though I'm surprised about there being so much negativity towards the stuff - except during the ban and its aftermath, I never noticed anything like that, but of course you as an admin are definitely better informed on that.

Besides, I didn't even know VMs could be anything but public, lol! 😀
 
I like it. The warning system is a good idea, and that the infractions expire after a certain time, so you can learn from your mistakes.
 
I like the new rules! I think the staff have the right to be treated with respect because you put a lot of work in to keep everyone happy, hopefully it will stop people from being so rude.
 
no single banner being larger than 150 pixels high x 500 pixels wide

Your signature is against the rules, Buffy. 😛 May I ask why the sudden change? A lot of people have banners that are wider than 500 pixels.
 
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Although I haven't been here very long, I would hate to see the boards close because of some members selfish behaviour, so yeah the rules are fine cos sometimes thats what it takes.
 
Always sad when you have to activate the infraction system... but I do think it's a pretty good way to handle these things.
I hope it won't be used much though.

But about the new signature rules.
I have always made my banner into one bigger image instead of using two images since I thought that would actually load faster instead of having two or more requests to my webhost.
So my guess was that it would have been better to encourage people to add their signatures into one image instead of using several smaller ones. But perhaps I'm misstaken by that.

Besides, technically I could split my banner into two pieces and put them right next to each other and I guess that I would follow the new rules but having it look exactly the same.
Want do that though. If it was me I would probably find that a bit annoying and like a silly way to bend the rules instead of actually following. 🙂

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I'm not really on board with the whole public VM thing. Is there a way to deactive VM's for oneself then altogether? Because I don't really want every random person to be able to read just all that.
 
Yeah, and I also really don't want them to be deleted. Can't there be an option to like, delete some once it gets overfilled, but choose the ones you want deleted?
 
Your signature is against the rules, Buffy. 😛 May I ask why the sudden change? A lot of people have banners that are wider than 500 pixels.
So it is. *editing* It's not really a sudden change; we've been talking for a long time about a better way to do signatures.

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Always sad when you have to activate the infraction system... but I do think it's a pretty good way to handle these things.
I hope it won't be used much though.

But about the new signature rules.
I have always made my banner into one bigger image instead of using two images since I thought that would actually load faster instead of having two or more requests to my webhost.
So my guess was that it would have been better to encourage people to add their signatures into one image instead of using several smaller ones. But perhaps I'm misstaken by that.

Besides, technically I could split my banner into two pieces and put them right next to each other and I guess that I would follow the new rules but having it look exactly the same.
Want do that though. If it was me I would probably find that a bit annoying and like a silly way to bend the rules instead of actually following. 🙂

/SK
For page loading times, cut into smaller pieces is actually better.

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I'm not really on board with the whole public VM thing. Is there a way to deactive VM's for oneself then altogether? Because I don't really want every random person to be able to read just all that.
In your options you can disable visitor messages.

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Yeah, and I also really don't want them to be deleted. Can't there be an option to like, delete some once it gets overfilled, but choose the ones you want deleted?
I don't think that's available but I will double check.

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Yeah, there's not a way right now to limit visitor messages by number. Which is really the problem with people using them like private messages. I hope that after this first prune we won't have to prune very often. If you want to save messages, you will have to save them to your computer, sorry 🙁
 
Which is really the problem with people using them like private messages.

Like I said in the suggestion thread, could we not get a self emptying inbox? I'm sure people would be more likely to use PM's instead of Visitor Messages if they didn't have to empty their inbox every few minutes.
 
You already said it in the suggestion thread, so you don't need to say it again here. You get 70 messages...and you can empty your inbox with one click if you so choose...
 
Well if you'd have replied in the suggestion thread, I wouldn't have posted again here.

And 70 messages, between sent messages and received messages doesn't last very long, and if you're having a conversation with someone, you don't realise how many you've got until it's too late.
 
I also think these rules are fair and would be sad to see these boards go. These boards are my happy place.
 
I just want to say that I read the rules and I respect them and I agree with them. Also, I am deeply sorry to hear that the staff members have been ridiculed. As a staff member on another board and a few before that, I know how much work has to be put in to have a successful board and I only hope that the rest of the members will understand this and stop their foolish behavior. It's not fair.
 
I agree with the rules. Could someone tell me if my sig is over the size limit? I'm not sure how to measure the size:
 
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The main sig is 600px so yes. The Raiden thingie is even more over the limit.
Agree with it all except I suppose the new sig rules that dont really seem to follow logic.

A single image is half the requests of 2, I hope thats fairly obvious.* Those who have trouble loading pages even have the option to not display sigs or Av's via UserCP if load times were the problem. I thought for a second maybe this had to do with the select number of viewers who use a measly 600x800pix res (not a problem at 1024) but you only have to shrink the browser down to see that single images work much better. Actually... how about some examples...

Single image on tiny res...
single.jpg


Scattered multiple images on tiny res...

multiples.jpg


Fairly obvious which makes the board look cleaner. And any horizontal scrollbar is almost accepted at an 800pix res anyway! Even yahoo gives me one at 800! ...Also, I like wide sigs, they allow more, and 750 as a single worked fine.

...I guess my question is, where did this required compromise come from?

*Interesting note: 1 image split in two takes up more space than the original due to the way files take up sizes on disk and the way JPEG compression works.
 
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Well said.
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