Points of View on Willow.

[Vorchan]

The purpouse of this thread is to discuss Points of View.

None of you may be aware of this, but I actually have a brother's love of her (Willow): I enjoy it when she does well (especially morally), so I totally enjoy pure, chaste, stories about her as a Jewess (I contend that she fell away but is unlikely to have left completely), such as Sam James stories... those are Great!

To accept someone as a sibling Does Not require that you accept All the person's actions, it seems to mean that you are willing to treat them as a sibling No Matter What may happen.

I, for one, Don't approve of her conduct in season 6, no, I am not talking about the chess games with other people, I am talking about her lying with girls in the marital way, engaging in 'telephoning perdition' (via spells), or what's worse: using a spell on her girlfriend to prevent her from saying 'No.'
Upsetting? It Should Be! I'm upset by thinking about this!

This situation is, for me, as if I have a little sister who sexually attacked someone!- you don't even want to Think about it... but you must.

Hard to believe? Possibly, True? Definitely!

How is it in someone's favor to hide the truth about their behavior from them? It isn't! Not even close.
I just feel really strongly about this, and the deed (if done) was subtle, so it's hard to pick out

As a different POV but related; the reason I picked a girlfriend of Willow's as my avatar is that I am really trying to be gentle in regards to the culture conflict of today, but under NO circumstances will I be silent on these matters!- and No-one is capable of silencing me! I have as much right to speak on this as anybody here.

The choice I made is sort of a 'goal of a linchpin position' if I can secure that attitude (compassion for persons I don't agree with the behavior of), then I will effectively have won this internal conflict.

Responses are most welcome.😀🙂

 

[Kean]

Vorchan, I have read countless posts of yours where you have referred to homosexuality as being "immoral" or "evil." Personally, I find the use of such language in this context incredibly hateful and upsetting. I don't think that is your intention but I felt it was important to tell you that every time you refer to homosexuality in that manner it causes pain for a great many people who are reading your posts. Not just LGBTQ people, but those who love them: mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daugters, friends and everything in between.

In this thread you employ the same language when discussing Willow's relationship with Tara. I am not trying to silence you but I am compelled to ask, why do feel this way?

 

[Vorchan]

Why do I feel this way? Well, Ma'am, (you record you gender as female, so I used the greeting for a woman/girl) I'll try to explain, as I said, I have a brother's love of Willow., also her behavior is not exactly in line with morality, you see, 'the marital act' is to be Only within the bounds of marriage, I am against sexual activity Period! I only tolerate it within marriage because it's proper there.
There's a huge difference between physical intimacy and love, no doubt, those who consider eachother lovers are fond of eachother (or think that they are fond of eachother), expressions of love come in many forms: game-time with another, movie-night, polite conversation, even, yes, correction of bad behavior.
For instance- you trying to get me to be nice to gays, hey, I Want to! But, how is it nice to your 'addicted sister or brother' to allow them access to what they are addicted to?
Let's be candidly realistic, people like Willow are targeted by the worst psychopath ever for enslavement in a very clever way. Upset? You should be! That situation is NOT NICE at all! How does this enslavement work? Addictions! Bad behavior is addictive. One woman I have been talking to said that "orgasms are addictive" in a communique to me some time ago, she's right on that! She's really not that far different from Willow in orientation, actually, but she was hurt by an ex-girlfriend some time ago. (That woman speaks on Youtube under the name "Raven Blaze").
Willow gets prone to addictions, and, let's be honest, anything pleasureable, including the 'marital act' can be addictive, plus, outside of the bounds of matrimony it actually does harm to the body... such deeds increase the ageing rate massively!
If you have a love of someone, you will not want them to engage in self-harmful behavior.
You might not recoginze the validity of the Catholic Faith anymore, but I do, and That's the reason I am both fighting against the gay agenda and trying my absolute hardest to be kind to gays of either gender. The often don't see the danger that they're in, Oh, sure, corrections hurt the Feelings of the person corrected, but, hey, been corrected., and, let me tell you, it feels a LOT Better when you get rid of the flaw in your personality afterward.
I myself just went through my own 'crusade', you see, I had developed a profoundly evil hatred of spirits (angels- fallen or not), for someone very into the war between good and evil, that's hard to get rid of! So, taking the situation of Willow, I can see how she would say "How am I supposed to love her without being in love With her?", in a embarassing way, she was better off than I was... funny that!
In the theological sense, I'll give you two vices: hatred and lust, lust is much more likely to lead to the misbehavior that Willow get's into, whereas hatred- according to Acts is, if given into, equivelent to murder! Way worse! I accuse Willow of rape in some posts- because the shoe fits (much to my discomfort), but Tara survived... murder ends the life of another, and if hatred is followed to fullness, it will try to end the Spritiual life of another!- Immesureably Worse!
That previous paragraph is NO Boast, but a statement of how messed up someone can become, and why it's so darn important to change... I learned of that horror in my own personality recently, and I tell you so you will know that I do understand how hard it is to defeat enslavement to evil and why it's so important to do so, and how hard it is to see. So, I think I have made it clear WHY I am so emphatic about this.
I call the gay movement an attempt to resurect slavery, drawing on the US Civil War, and call myself an abolitionist in this modern Civil War, called the 'culture war'- because that's what these are to me.
Addiction is a form of slavery, sin is very addictive, lying to someone to make them feel better is not going to help them at all, nor will cruelty- so I have to be kind, while still being firm.
Does that help to explain? If not, what's unclear? I'll try to clairify if I can. (that's a promise, Lord Willing- not blasphemy, requesting His help and time.)

 

[Robb Stark]

Why do I feel this way? Well, Ma'am, (you record you gender as female, so I used the greeting for a woman/girl) I'll try to explain, as I said, I have a brother's love of Willow., also her behavior is not exactly in line with morality, you see, 'the marital act' is to be Only within the bounds of marriage, I am against sexual activity Period! I only tolerate it within marriage because it's proper there.
There's a huge difference between physical intimacy and love, no doubt, those who consider eachother lovers are fond of eachother (or think that they are fond of eachother), expressions of love come in many forms: game-time with another, movie-night, polite conversation, even, yes, correction of bad behavior.
For instance- you trying to get me to be nice to gays, hey, I Want to! But, how is it nice to your 'addicted sister or brother' to allow them access to what they are addicted to?
Let's be candidly realistic, people like Willow are targeted by the worst psychopath ever for enslavement in a very clever way. Upset? You should be! That situation is NOT NICE at all! How does this enslavement work? Addictions! Bad behavior is addictive. One woman I have been talking to said that "orgasms are addictive" in a communique to me some time ago, she's right on that! She's really not that far different from Willow in orientation, actually, but she was hurt by an ex-girlfriend some time ago. (That woman speaks on Youtube under the name "Raven Blaze").
Willow gets prone to addictions, and, let's be honest, anything pleasureable, including the 'marital act' can be addictive, plus, outside of the bounds of matrimony it actually does harm to the body... such deeds increase the ageing rate massively!
If you have a love of someone, you will not want them to engage in self-harmful behavior.
You might not recoginze the validity of the Catholic Faith anymore, but I do, and That's the reason I am both fighting against the gay agenda and trying my absolute hardest to be kind to gays of either gender. The often don't see the danger that they're in, Oh, sure, corrections hurt the Feelings of the person corrected, but, hey, been corrected., and, let me tell you, it feels a LOT Better when you get rid of the flaw in your personality afterward.
I myself just went through my own 'crusade', you see, I had developed a profoundly evil hatred of spirits (angels- fallen or not), for someone very into the war between good and evil, that's hard to get rid of! So, taking the situation of Willow, I can see how she would say "How am I supposed to love her without being in love With her?", in a embarassing way, she was better off than I was... funny that!
In the theological sense, I'll give you two vices: hatred and lust, lust is much more likely to lead to the misbehavior that Willow get's into, whereas hatred- according to Acts is, if given into, equivelent to murder! Way worse! I accuse Willow of rape in some posts- because the shoe fits (much to my discomfort), but Tara survived... murder ends the life of another, and if hatred is followed to fullness, it will try to end the Spritiual life of another!- Immesureably Worse!
That previous paragraph is NO Boast, but a statement of how messed up someone can become, and why it's so darn important to change... I learned of that horror in my own personality recently, and I tell you so you will know that I do understand how hard it is to defeat enslavement to evil and why it's so important to do so, and how hard it is to see. So, I think I have made it clear WHY I am so emphatic about this.
I call the gay movement an attempt to resurect slavery, drawing on the US Civil War, and call myself an abolitionist in this modern Civil War, called the 'culture war'- because that's what these are to me.
Addiction is a form of slavery, sin is very addictive, lying to someone to make them feel better is not going to help them at all, nor will cruelty- so I have to be kind, while still being firm.
Does that help to explain? If not, what's unclear? I'll try to clairify if I can. (that's a promise, Lord Willing- not blasphemy, requesting His help and time.)

Look, I'm going to be straight up with you here. You're not going to find a lot of support for this particular point of view here. Saying things like "the gay agenda" and that gay people need to be "corrected" are just flat out offensive to a lot of people. Saying things like sex is bad for you, from anything but a religious or safe sex perspective, is just flat out not true. I don't even know how else to phrase it.

Also, touching on the religious elements of your post, if you're going to use religion as a justification for opposing gay people, then it's fair game for criticism. You can't say things like "my religion makes me right" (I'm paraphrasing) and then have that religion immune to questioning.

With that line of thinking, I find it incredibly difficult to place any credibility in the moral authority of the Catholic Church, an institution which has been directly responsible for some of the horrific and barbarous acts of all time. If you want to challenge that statement, I'd be more than happy to provide an account of some of the more infamous escapades of the Catholic faith.

Let me pose a question to you. How is it even remotely reconcilable that the same entity responsible for covering up child pedophiles and being the torchbearer for religious intolerance can demonize two people just for loving each other, regardless of which parts they have? You can cite the sanctity of marriage argument to me all day, but it won't matter. The notion that two people of opposite sexes can marry and have sex, regardless of feeling for one another, and that two people of the same sex cannot, even if they're in love, is absolutely asinine to me. And I don't need a god to tell me that. It's wrong.

And please, let's be real here. You're comparing the fictional "homosexual agenda", which to be clear is not a thing (please, I dare you to contradict me. What exactly is the super-secret hidden, evil agenda of the gays? I hear about it a lot, but I've never actually heard what it is), to the institution of slavery? Really? You're comparing Catholic efforts to turn back the clock on human history and cause unbelievable harm to untold numbers of people just trying to live their lives (for no logical reason) to the liberation of millions and millions of people?

The motto of the Catholic Church seems to be "believe what we believe or we'll hurt you". I know you in all likelihood meant everything you said in a positive light, but it comes across as very, very ignorant. You may oppose homosexuality because your religion tells you to. I support human freedom because it's the right thing to do.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Let's keep on-topic threads like this in the main forum, so we're not doubling up. I would be happy to move it if you would like Vorchan.

 

[Vorchan]

You mentioned several alledged crimes by the Catholic Church, I would like to find out what alledged 'crimes' you speak of; please do enlighten me, Sir.
As for 'protection of pedifiles', the Church deliberately investigated the pedifile priests, and completely disassembled their careers- it was a Papal investigation!
You cannot rely upon the media for information regarding traditional morality- they have their own agenda (which is often "dismantle the morals of the people and the laws based upon morality"- why? I really don't know why the media is anti-morality, but it is! To assume that the Entire media is is utter nonsense, but Much Too Much of them are! That Sir is why the media deliberately misquotes the Church in everything, it has a lot to do with the attitude of the world "You don't tell me that I am doing something wrong." That's Utter Nonsense!)
Obliterate morality and you wind up with every form of law being null and viod! Is that what you want? Really?
In fact, most of the great advances in science were Because of Christian beliefs and values Throughout history! I am an ardent student of every single intellectual topic (Real history included) and history pretty much requires an appreciation of religious teaching as a guiding principle; one reason for the US strength: moral principle in it's documents!
Every single other Revolution was based at least on part upon the break from traditional morals- and they ended up with tyranny!
As for torture in the Spanish Inquisition: Pure English Propaganda!- the British crown needed to justify his break from the Church, no easier way than to accuse Papal loyalists of crimes against humanity!
With most history- you need to consider the POV of the speaker as well as the message, as far as messages declairing support for legailzed murder (abortion), those are the same as support for the Stalin Purges or the Holicaust in Nazi Germany (Both governments did the exact same thing- attempted genocide!).
If you would abolish the basis for moral law- what comes next? legalized theft? legalizing rape? in addition, it's now known that the human brain doesn't fully develop until about the 30s at least... so- where does it stop? Who's safe and why? And who says + why?
I look forward to your response... Sir!

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In addition, Mr. Stark, homosexual love is not really based upon love, they Feel as though it is, but feelings are not the same as reality in any case!
This is not designed as brutality, but pure honesty.
As for religious intolerance- what gives you that idea? His Holyness himself is aledged to claim that one's beliefs are not as relevant as one's attempt to follow natural law- and he's completely right on that!
In fact, it's most often non-Christians that are intollerant; just look at world history "worship Ceasar or die!" and such being just one example.
Now, it doesn't matter in the least to me how much support I have here or anywhere on this matter! I KNOW I Am Correct on This aspect! But proving it is always harder done than said.
The challenge for me remains polieness under these conditions, and that's what my second post here was about.

 

[Kean]

You mentioned several alledged crimes by the Catholic Church, I would like to find out what alledged 'crimes' you speak of; please do enlighten me, Sir.
As for 'protection of pedifiles', the Church deliberately investigated the pedifile priests, and completely disassembled their careers- it was a Papal investigation!
You cannot rely upon the media for information regarding traditional morality- they have their own agenda (which is often "dismantle the morals of the people and the laws based upon morality"- why? I really don't know why the media is anti-morality, but it is! To assume that the Entire media is is utter nonsense, but Much Too Much of them are! That Sir is why the media deliberately misquotes the Church in everything, it has a lot to do with the attitude of the world "You don't tell me that I am doing something wrong." That's Utter Nonsense!)
Obliterate morality and you wind up with every form of law being null and viod! Is that what you want? Really?
In fact, most of the great advances in science were Because of Christian beliefs and values Throughout history! I am an ardent student of every single intellectual topic (Real history included) and history pretty much requires an appreciation of religious teaching as a guiding principle; one reason for the US strength: moral principle in it's documents!
Every single other Revolution was based at least on part upon the break from traditional morals- and they ended up with tyranny!
As for torture in the Spanish Inquisition: Pure English Propaganda!- the British crown needed to justify his break from the Church, no easier way than to accuse Papal loyalists of crimes against humanity!
With most history- you need to consider the POV of the speaker as well as the message, as far as messages declairing support for legailzed murder (abortion), those are the same as support for the Stalin Purges or the Holicaust in Nazi Germany (Both governments did the exact same thing- attempted genocide!).
If you would abolish the basis for moral law- what comes next? legalized theft? legalizing rape? in addition, it's now known that the human brain doesn't fully develop until about the 30s at least... so- where does it stop? Who's safe and why? And who says + why?
I look forward to your response... Sir!

---------- Post added at 04:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:10 PM ----------

In addition, Mr. Stark, homosexual love is not really based upon love, they Feel as though it is, but feelings are not the same as reality in any case!
This is not designed as brutality, but pure honesty.
As for religious intolerance- what gives you that idea? His Holyness himself is aledged to claim that one's beliefs are not as relevant as one's attempt to follow natural law- and he's completely right on that!
In fact, it's most often non-Christians that are intollerant; just look at world history "worship Ceasar or die!" and such being just one example.
Now, it doesn't matter in the least to me how much support I have here or anywhere on this matter! I KNOW I Am Correct on This aspect! But proving it is always harder done than said.
The challenge for me remains polieness under these conditions, and that's what my second post here was about.

Google The Murphy Report. Google the Cloyne Report. And then Google the Magdalene Laundaries.

The Catholic Church were responsible for systematic physical, sexual and emotional abuse in Ireland for decades. Abuse that continues to be covered up. By all means have your faith, but the fact that the Catholic Church effected massive pain and hurt in a betrayal of everything Christ and Our Lady stand for is undeniable.

I don't know enough about the States to comment on the situation there, but to deny what the crimes committed by clergy of the Catholic Church is unacceptable.

 

[Evil Angelus 95]

You mentioned several alledged crimes by the Catholic Church, I would like to find out what alledged 'crimes' you speak of; please do enlighten me, Sir.
As for 'protection of pedifiles', the Church deliberately investigated the pedifile priests, and completely disassembled their careers- it was a Papal investigation!
You cannot rely upon the media for information regarding traditional morality- they have their own agenda (which is often "dismantle the morals of the people and the laws based upon morality"- why? I really don't know why the media is anti-morality, but it is! To assume that the Entire media is is utter nonsense, but Much Too Much of them are! That Sir is why the media deliberately misquotes the Church in everything, it has a lot to do with the attitude of the world "You don't tell me that I am doing something wrong." That's Utter Nonsense!)
Obliterate morality and you wind up with every form of law being null and viod! Is that what you want? Really?

Saying the Church never covers anything up and that everyone who does wrong and is involved with the organization comes clean is like saying the Government doesn't keep secrets. Its lies. History has proven that time and time again.

In fact, most of the great advances in science were Because of Christian beliefs and values Throughout history! I am an ardent student of every single intellectual topic (Real history included) and history pretty much requires an appreciation of religious teaching as a guiding principle; one reason for the US strength: moral principle in it's documents!
Every single other Revolution was based at least on part upon the break from traditional morals- and they ended up with tyranny!
As for torture in the Spanish Inquisition: Pure English Propaganda!- the British crown needed to justify his break from the Church, no easier way than to accuse Papal loyalists of crimes against humanity!

Let me get this straight. You're saying the Spanish Inquisition, which DID happen, and there are numerous histories outside of British origins that will prove that, was nothing more than British Propaganda? ....I don't even know how to respond. That's right up there with people claiming the Holocaust didn't happen. There's no difference between what you're doing and what those who are denying the Holocaust are doing. It's a denial of history that has been proven to happen.

There are also people who claim that the Pagan/Wiccan Burning Times never happened, a lot within the Catholic Church. Last I checked, if people didn't follow the church or didn't agree with something they did or wanted, they were killed in the most horrible ways possible. Burning at the stake, stoning, drowning, torture, the list is endless. The Church had a part in this, and it is pointless to sit there and deny it.

With most history- you need to consider the POV of the speaker as well as the message, as far as messages declairing support for legailzed murder (abortion), those are the same as support for the Stalin Purges or the Holicaust in Nazi Germany (Both governments did the exact same thing- attempted genocide!).
If you would abolish the basis for moral law- what comes next? legalized theft? legalizing rape? in addition, it's now known that the human brain doesn't fully develop until about the 30s at least... so- where does it stop? Who's safe and why? And who says + why?
I look forward to your response... Sir!

Legalizing Rape? Legalizing Theft? You're talking about things that no-one in their right mind would attempt to do. Know why? Along with the public out-roar that would accompany them, there's also the fact that um...let me see...THERE WOULD BE ANARCHY.

In addition, Mr. Stark, homosexual love is not really based upon love, they Feel as though it is, but feelings are not the same as reality in any case!
This is not designed as brutality, but pure honesty.

Jumping in here.

What you're saying is an OPINION. Last I checked, there is no-one who can decide what's right for everyone else. The Church can't do that, the Government can't do that, and most certainly, any organization can't do that. Love is love. There's no ifs, ands, or buts in it. If someone loves another person, it's love. It doesn't matter if its a woman loving another woman, a man loving another man, or a woman loving a man/vice versa. THAT'S LOVE. Love is the same for everyone, and no religion can't decide what 'kind' of love is right and wrong. Love is the same for every gender/orientation, and that's all there is to it.

And I'm sure if Abe Lincoln could hear that you're comparing the quest for equal rights for everyone regardless of sexual orientation to the Civil War/Setting the Slaves free, he would be rolling in his grave. That has got to be one of the most unbelievable statements I have ever heard.

To people who think that their religion is a solid reasoning for not wanting people who associate with a certain way of living to the same equal rights as others, I believe the Separation Of Church And State exists for a reason.

That's all I have to say on the matter, and with that, I will step out.

 

[Blaze]

I'm really trying not to let this thread phase me. [MENTION=12515]Vorchan[/MENTION], what you are saying about homosexuality is just plain false, and you are wrong. I also don't think you have any good arguments, because every time I call you out on your bigotry you choose to ignore my posts.

I also don't think hateful threads like this have a place on this board, but that's not for me to decide and I can respect that.

 

[Still a Scoobie]

I, for one, Don't approve of her conduct in season 6, no, I am not talking about the chess games with other people, I am talking about her lying with girls in the marital way, engaging in 'telephoning perdition' (via spells), or what's worse: using a spell on her girlfriend to prevent her from saying 'No.'
Upsetting? It Should Be! I'm upset by thinking about this!

So, you're ok with her "Chess games with other people" but against a loving relationship?

This situation is, for me, as if I have a little sister who sexually attacked someone!- you don't even want to Think about it... but you must.

Hard to believe? Possibly, True? Definitely!

Absolutely, it is hard to believe that you think this is "definitely true". I make no comment about your choice to believe what you do about homosexuality, if that's what you want, but to claim it is absolute truth is preposterous.

How is it in someone's favor to hide the truth about their behavior from them? It isn't! Not even close.

I'm glad you think this, you will therefore accept that I am doing what is right when I tell you that you should correct your behaviour

As a different POV but related; the reason I picked a girlfriend of Willow's as my avatar is that I am really trying to be gentle in regards to the culture conflict of today, but under NO circumstances will I be silent on these matters!- and No-one is capable of silencing me! I have as much right to speak on this as anybody here.

Absolutely you have the right, you also have the right to education, but you seem to have waived it.

The choice I made is sort of a 'goal of a linchpin position' if I can secure that attitude (compassion for persons I don't agree with the behavior of), then I will effectively have won this internal conflict.

Responses are most welcome.😀🙂

Could you explain this? I have no idea what it means.

There's a huge difference between physical intimacy and love, no doubt, those who consider eachother lovers are fond of eachother (or think that they are fond of eachother), expressions of love come in many forms: game-time with another, movie-night, polite conversation, even, yes, correction of bad behavior.

Damn right there's a huge difference. Love is absolutely involuntary and as such it is not in your gift (or anyone's) to prescribe a type of love to be immoral, you may as well say farting is immoral

Let's be candidly realistic, people like Willow are targeted by the worst psychopath ever for enslavement in a very clever way.

Explain?

the 'marital act' ... of the bounds of matrimony it actually does harm to the body... such deeds increase the ageing rate massively!

Bull. I await your attempts to prove this with mounting glee, I love to read pseudo-science.

I myself just went through my own 'crusade', you see, I had developed a profoundly evil hatred of spirits (angels- fallen or not), for someone very into the war between good and evil, that's hard to get rid of! So, taking the situation of Willow, I can see how she would say "How am I supposed to love her without being in love With her?", in a embarassing way, she was better off than I was... funny that!

Would you be comfortable going into more detail about your "crusade"? If not then I apologise and please don't, but if you would then I would be very interested in hearing your story. It may help me understand your position. Never accept it, but perhaps excuse it.

I call the gay movement an attempt to resurect slavery, drawing on the US Civil War, and call myself an abolitionist in this modern Civil War, called the 'culture war'- because that's what these are to me.
Addiction is a form of slavery, sin is very addictive

Sin is also subjective, the analogy between slavery and homosexuality erroneous and the assertion that addiction is slavery flawed.

You mentioned several alledged crimes by the Catholic Church, I would like to find out what alledged 'crimes' you speak of; please do enlighten me, Sir.
As for 'protection of pedifiles', the Church deliberately investigated the pedifile priests, and completely disassembled their careers- it was a Papal investigation!

And were the results given to the relevant authorities? Were the perpetrators made to stand trial in a criminal court?

In addition, Mr. Stark, homosexual love is not really based upon love, they Feel as though it is, but feelings are not the same as reality in any case!

Would you care to reveal how you know this?



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I wish I hadn't got caught up in this, to be honest. I'd prefer not to give Vorchan's views the oxygen that is attention.

 

[The Thirst Evil]

Just to be clear here, because some people (and in this case, 'some people' means [MENTION=12515]Vorchan[/MENTION]) don't get it. Homosexuals are human beings. They're not a demographic, they are not a cult and they certainly don't have an agenda. They are exactly the same as you and me, their orientation is just different, that's all. They function exactly the same as you and me. It does not make a difference whether or not someone is gay. There is no such thing as gay marriage, it's just marriage, regardless of the couple's orientation.

Imagine for a second that it was flipped the other way. What if everyone told you that you were wrong because you were attracted to people of the opposite sex? There's no difference. Gays are exactly the same as us in every other way.

 

[Kean]

For instance- you trying to get me to be nice to gays, hey, I Want to! But, how is it nice to your 'addicted sister or brother' to allow them access to what they are addicted to?

Let's be candidly realistic, people like Willow are targeted by the worst psychopath ever for enslavement in a very clever way. Upset? You should be! That situation is NOT NICE at all! How does this enslavement work? Addictions! Bad behavior is addictive.

You might not recoginze the validity of the Catholic Faith anymore, but I do, and That's the reason I am both fighting against the gay agenda and trying my absolute hardest to be kind to gays of either gender. The often don't see the danger that they're in, Oh, sure, corrections hurt the Feelings of the person corrected, but, hey, been corrected., and, let me tell you, it feels a LOT Better when you get rid of the flaw in your personality afterward.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoYxUTqEyV4"]A CATHOLIC CHURCH , A PRIEST & A GAY ( THE NEW NORMAL ) - YouTube[/ame]

I call the gay movement an attempt to resurect slavery, drawing on the US Civil War, and call myself an abolitionist in this modern Civil War, called the 'culture war'- because that's what these are to me.

Addiction is a form of slavery, sin is very addictive, lying to someone to make them feel better is not going to help them at all, nor will cruelty- so I have to be kind, while still being firm

In addition, Mr. Stark, homosexual love is not really based upon love, they Feel as though it is, but feelings are not the same as reality in any case!

As for religious intolerance- what gives you that idea? His Holyness himself is aledged to claim that one's beliefs are not as relevant as one's attempt to follow natural law- and he's completely right on that!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc"]The West Wing- Bible Lesson - YouTube[/ame]

Now, it doesn't matter in the least to me how much support I have here or anywhere on this matter! I KNOW I Am Correct on This aspect! But proving it is always harder done than said.
The challenge for me remains polieness under these conditions, and that's what my second post here was about.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXayhUzWnl0"]Panti's Noble Call at the Abbey Theatre - WITH SUBTITLES - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Black Eye Guy]

^ Perfect ending to this thread

Closing this thread, this discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

Vorchan your ideas on this topic and the churches coverups are so ill informed it's not even funny.

I strongly urge you to Google the topics Kean advised you of before you even think of talking about the topic again with anyone.

I'd also advise to stop talking about homosexuality, you can't talk about the topic without being hateful, discuss something else.