Question Political Spectrum
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xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
Yes and thats not judgmental at all.
But I guess you'd rather have thousands of children grow up unwanted and abused yes that sounds like a brilliant plan. Let force them all to have children that they can't take care of and have a society filled with even more damaged people.
No I guess youre right. Instead we should tear their limbs from their body or give their mother a pill that starves them til they die. I guess if that doesnt work we could crush their skulls and vacuum their brain matter. And while were at it, why not kill all the kids in the foster care system since theyre "damaged" too.
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xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
You talk about them like theyre a child. A fetus is not the same as a child. I'm sorry but cells are not greater importance then the mother who's carrying it.
I love children and I would protect them with my life. I hate that so many children have to suffer needlessly. So please don't make it sound like I'm a monster because I'm not. I never said to kill any child, and I NEVER said kill kids in the foster care system.
But why should a woman be forced to raise a child that she can't take care of, why should a child be forced to be treated horribly. Because that is what happens. It can be prevented by giving the mother a choice. I'm not saying that abortion is right or even a good thing, but it should be the mothers choice.
brinkster130
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I get that people are going to have different opinions on whether or not abortions are morally/ethically right or wrong. Everyone has valid points as to why they feel that way and I'm not interested in why they feel that way; that being said I think this conversation might be better if we discussed the RIGHTS involved rather than the reasoning behind the beliefs.
My issue is whether or not people (women) should have the RIGHT to choose abortion. Do you think that the government should be able to tell the people what they can and cannot do to their own body? And if they can tell people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies how far can they go?
My issue is whether or not people (women) should have the RIGHT to choose abortion. Do you think that the government should be able to tell the people what they can and cannot do to their own body? And if they can tell people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies how far can they go?
How can you place no value on a "fetus"? Its irrefutable that its a human and its alive.
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Tueuse de Vampires
go back a few posts and read the question i adressed to you pls
xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
Ok thank you for ignoring everything else I said.
Its not a human its a fetus. And why should it have more rights than the woman who's body it is. Also I'm not placing no value on the fetus. I'm simply emphasizing the womans rights.
VisionGirl
Newly Human
I bolded "woman" because therein lies the crux: as long as a woman alone has to deal with the consequences (& that is the case the majority of the time), a woman should have the right to choose. Abortion has always existed and will always exist, even back before it was legal, and even currently in countries where it is outlawed. Outlawing abortion doesn't make it go away, it just makes it underground & incredibly unsafe.
Yes, I addressed that above. You all may be surprised how opposed I am to abortion personally. I'm Catholic, & I won't even take birth control pills because one of the side effects of them is preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. Did you know that ibuprofen can do that as well? So, should we outlaw oral contraceptives and OTC pain meds as well? That being said, as my political views have evolved & changed, my personal views have slightly as well. As a mother myself, I can totally see the possibility of choosing to terminate a pregnancy that would endanger my life & leave my children motherless or a pregnancy that's the result of a rape (well, I would accept meds that they typically give to rape victims in the hospital that prevents implantation, even though my religion is morally opposed). Other than that, I'm not sure I could ever do it, but god forbid I should ever have to be in any of those situations. And it's not my business to judge the decisions of any other woman except me.
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Legally, none of that matters. What matters is whether it is determined to be a "person" under the law (as in the 14th amendment that you quoted earlier). No U.S. court has ruled that a fetus is a person.
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I'm thinking back to the argument of "getting ahead in their careers" which is laughable: abortion is less frequent among more educated women, more frequent among poorer women. Wonder why?
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xfivebyfive
ITA I could never have one myself but I won't stop defending a womans right to choose
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prophecygrrl
Well said! :)
I ignored it because I dont see the need to repeat what Ive already said. Also Im on my phone and cant type the thousands of things I want to say. Its not placing the fetus above the mother. Its putting one lifes value on the same playing field as anothers. Allowing a mother to kill her unborn child is putting her financial, social, (or whatever reason she has) well being over anothers right to life. Thats wrong.
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MRNewman
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It's interesting how a simple question of "Where do we all fall on the political spectrum" turns into a heated battle on the topic of abortion...mostly between two people with Faith as their avatar.
While we may not agree on everything I do have to say we both have badass taste in fav characters.
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xfivebyfive
lmao that we do :D Faith Karma
zobothehobo
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My mother had an abortion when she was in her twenties. It was a one night stand, her birth control failed and she got pregnant. I for one am very glad my mother had that abortion because not having a child (or being pregnant all 9 months) allowed her to stay in school, transfer to UNC, meet my dad, get married, have me and my sisters. Every situation is different. In my mother's case, having an abortion allowed her the opportunities to bring three children into this world and raise all of us well. I am grateful for that.
One thing reading through this conversation about abortion that stuck out at me was this quote from EntertainUs
I'm against abortion being used as birth control and a former friend of mine said she would do that... have unprotected sex and if she got pregnant, just have an abortion. I think she should be allowed to make that choice herself but personally, I think that's abusing your right to make your choice.
It all comes back to rights though. It should be the woman's right to choose. It's HER life. HER unborn baby... and HER body. So why should she not choose what happens with it?
One thing reading through this conversation about abortion that stuck out at me was this quote from EntertainUs
To me, this means if you want to have sex, but not a baby, use birth control. If you want to protect yourself against STD's use a condom. If you do that and it fails, is it your fault? No. If you know you're not ready for a baby and you take all the necessary precautions and you still get pregnant, what is wrong with an abortion? It's a personal choice and like I said, every situation is different.
I'm against abortion being used as birth control and a former friend of mine said she would do that... have unprotected sex and if she got pregnant, just have an abortion. I think she should be allowed to make that choice herself but personally, I think that's abusing your right to make your choice.
It all comes back to rights though. It should be the woman's right to choose. It's HER life. HER unborn baby... and HER body. So why should she not choose what happens with it?
xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
I agree with Zoà« completely.
My sisters mother had an abortion because she had just had my sister and had post-partum depression. They couldn't afford another baby and she couldn't mentally or physically take care of another child. It was a hard decision for her its not something most people take lightly.
My sister on the other hand had three or four abortions when she was a teenager, she used it like birth control which I believe is wrong. But I do believe everything happens for a reason. Back then she would have been a horrible mother, 20 years later she has two beautiful children and is a wonderful mother.
Women should have the right to choose. Yes some people will take advantage of it but they should still have a choice.
My sisters mother had an abortion because she had just had my sister and had post-partum depression. They couldn't afford another baby and she couldn't mentally or physically take care of another child. It was a hard decision for her its not something most people take lightly.
My sister on the other hand had three or four abortions when she was a teenager, she used it like birth control which I believe is wrong. But I do believe everything happens for a reason. Back then she would have been a horrible mother, 20 years later she has two beautiful children and is a wonderful mother.
Women should have the right to choose. Yes some people will take advantage of it but they should still have a choice.
Sorry my phone wont post any more of your quote. You say it comes down to rights. What about the babys right to life?
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Wishing Oceans
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I'm not Zobo, but as aforementioned... It's not a baby. It's a fetus or an embryo. The Supreme Court has never ruled that it's a human life.
Also, as you probably know, there ARE post-viability limits in most states.
(Note: Jeez, 15 people viewing one thread simultaneously!)
Youre honestly going to tell me that you dont believe its a person?
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Wishing Oceans
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Sure. If it can't breath (and therefore survive) on it's own, it's not a person imo. As I said: viability. It would become a person, but at the time it's not.
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Newborns cant survive on their own. A lot of lung cancer victims and coma patients cant breathe on their own. Are they not people?
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zobothehobo
hahaha I KNEW you were going to go to the coma and lung cancer people. You missed the point.
Wishing Oceans
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Well, that wasn't the point, but... Fetuses/embreyos aren't born, they were never "Alive" in the breathing sense, whereas lung cancer victims/coma patients were born, were alive, are still alive (beating heart), and just need some medical assistance. They're not unborn. Of course they're people. You can't STOP being a person after you're born. Not until you die, anyway.
Tueuse de Vampires
Love will tear us apart..
So what do we do with the wave of (pre-)teens having sex? Obviously they don't know any better, I'd go as far as say there's even enough that have no idea that having unprotected sex can get you pregnant. What do we do with those? You can't tell me they're ready for children.