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Let start with Season 3, as i didn't caught much of Season 1(staking of the Master) and 2(killing of Angel).

Season 3 Big Bad : The Mayor which was transform into a BIG SNAKE but was in the end bombed to death together with Sunnydale High School.

which i think will be defeated easily by Adam as he has Super Bullets and Atmoic bombs installed inside of him. Bullets and Bombs seem to be the curse of the Mayor @K@ Snake.



Season 4 Big Bad : Adam which was defeated by the extremely dangerous spell cast by the Willow, Xander and Giles. Turning Buffy into a 4 in 1 person which defeating Adam was a piece of cake for her. i doubt buffy will last a sec if she was hitted by the unlimited bullets. Basically The 4 in 1 Buffy just talk in different language (if i am not wrong) and protects herself from the bullets. The rest of the kick ass and the dig-into-heart-for-uranumin action can be done by Buffy. No Big Magic Mojo attacks was sighted, mostly was defensive magic.

If Adam turn out to be Glory in "Primeval" i doubt buffy can defeat her. Glory will turn out to be faster and stronger than the 4-in-1 Buffy. Since only defensive spell are used in the 4 in 1 Buffy and the stage of magic Willow(without the book of "Darkest Magick") is in during Season 4 is nothing for Glory, she will get to kick 4 in 1's ass in no time.



Season 5 Big Bad : Our Glorious Glory. She's as fast as a bullet , as strong as maybe 3-5 slayers combined and Cocky and to top that all up she's a god with crazily perm hair. From Day 1 when she descend onto Earth, Buffy was no match for her. A dying and drained Willow merely slow her down in "Tough Love". In "The Gift", Willow only managed to weaken her for a few minutes when she connect herself into Glory's brain sucking Tara's out. Although The Dragon Sphere make her weak for a weak for a few second, she manage to overcome it and destroyed it. And she manage to get back to her fromer glory so fast. If she had a brain to suck at that moment she will have been stronger. And it took 1 1/2 Buffy(considered BuffyBot as a half) with a Magical Troll's Hammer to weaken her temporently and fade her out. And then Giles took the chances to kill Ben. If not if Glory faded back the gang will be in a bigass trouble.

Anya : She's a god, let's think outside the box.
In the box, Buffy had strenght, speed, agility and skills etc. that are so far apart compared to Glory's. Outside the Box, we had magic something Glory doesn't really had. And that's what Evil Willow had plenty of. Evil Willow definitely can stop her and send her ass back home without a key. Sucking brains is like drugs to Glory, without it she would be having cold turkey. Imagie Evil Willow took every brains from Glory that she'd sucks, Glory would had gone down to knees. Glory can only hurt Willow but Willow can do whatever thing she wants with Glory considering the magic she had.



Season 6 Big Bad : Raven-Haired Evil Willow. She is more than vengence and will flayed anyone she seeks revenge on. And she had that mind controlling power. Buffy, Demon-Anya and Borrowed Magick Giles had no power over her. It's abt Power and she has the power. But she was stop by Xander by reaching to what's beneath her. She is still crayon-breaking Willow. She isn't Evil just lost control over her power.


Willow had the mind control power just like The First. But The First's control over the power was way over her. Imagine if The First controls Evil Willow alone, it can destroyed the earth. And The First had no pyshical self so i doubt any magic mojo from Evil Willow can hurt it yet.



Season 7 Big Bad : Nontheless The First. The Primal of all Evil. The Purest of all Evil. It morphs, it sings and it manipulate. It's like a Null. Only can be seen when it wanted to be. Pretty much in control of its own POWER maybe because it is the POWER.

With the Watcher's Council destroyed, Giles dead or undead, Opening of Hellmouth, Conjuring of UberVamp, SITs and Watchers slayed, Spike's captured. Everything seem to be so well-planned. What's next? Who and how are we going to stop The First? If there's a Season 8, what Big Bad can be the predecessor of The First?



Noted:
Minions : Even Minions of the Big Bad are getting stronger and stronger. From Vampires to Slayer(Faith) to Soldiers to Skin-Dieases Creatures to Bringers which is working for The First was so far organise and strong.


Personally i think The First cannot be killed or vanquished like anyother demons maybe it can be stop or overcome. Well, let's sit aside and see what Joss Whedon had install for us. Wait and Tell...
 
you made a good point by saying that the first may be unstoppable....maybe he is unvanquishable, but maybe he can be put back where he came from...who knows....no one knows why he decided to emerge now...or anything...we just have to wait and see...after all he just appeared at the end of the last episode...
 
If we look at the people the first is controlling at the moment, we mainly see those who do not believe in themselves. Angel could be saved from the First because Buffy made him believe again.
This seems to me the only way the First can be destroyed, by restoring people's believes in the good in their hearts and not giving in to evil. Seeing one's own good side and believing in it will render the First powerless.

After last season's finale, where Willow could only be saved by reaching into her heart, we will see something similiar again. Although the First will summon all kinds of evil creatures to do its job and make life in sunnydale as much hell as possible, it will take will-power only to defeat it.

I guess we will see a lot of extremely hard core evil creatures until the season's finale will end with a big bang, and since it looks like being the last season, we might even see the scoobies destoying the hell mouth in the process.
 
Originally posted by Angelique
Angel could be saved from the First because Buffy made him believe again.
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i didnt think thats why he was saved....bcuz day was about to come....but it snowed....some higher beings knew angel had to stick around...isnt that right??
 
its weird though because if you read the www.buffy.com synopsis about "Never Leave Me" it says that (spoiler)
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something drew Wood to the basement and to find the body then to bury it.
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(sorry guys I dunno how to make spoiler text....)

maybe the first can control anyone....

and isnt there a theory about how it was the first that brought angel back to kill buffy and how everything thats been happening these past 6 years the first has been behind?

how do we know that they're going to close the Hellmouth anyway? maybe the Hellmouth wins in the end.

If any of you have read Fray by Joss, it says that Buffy and her friends were trapped in a Hell Dimension and it's pretty much implied that they died fighting.

-mmmdonuts
 
Well I dont think The First Evil can be killed, if it could all fear would be gone. It feeds on hate and darkness, and as long as there is hate, as long as there is evil and darkness there will be the first evil ::snow2:: .
 
Or the other way around, but as I stated before, you cannot destroy evil, because there is a balance, if you destroy the one, you will also destroy the other!
 
GOD.

GOD.

We see demons and Hell-things and stuff, and now "the First Evil", of all evil.

Where is God?!
Buffy seemed to think she was in some sort of Heaven and all of that.
AND there seems to be some kind of "higher power" or "beings of higher power" (like referred to and all in Angel).
WELL, what about God?
I mean, if we are getting into "Satan"-territory, it would only make some sense to get into "Holy Spirit" territory.

I mean, maybe Principle Wood is secretly some guardian angel/arch-angel type. He seems to want to keep Buffy close, watch her, have her help those who need help. Etc.

Then again, who knows, but I figure if they are going to throw in some kind of "First Evil" equation, then it would be kinda hard to dismiss any kind of "Holy Spirit/God"-equation and all.
 
they've said God on rare occasions...the reason not to say the G word is not to alienate viewers...usually when people say the G word...people are perceived to be crazy jehovah witnesses shoving bibles down throats...even thought the judgement is far from the truth
also...
the chick with the glasses on the watchers council is pretty knauts...
 
Can't agree more with Soulgasm, there are allready some complaits by conservatives about the Willow/Tara things, and there are also conservative christians who have put them on a black list (along with the Harry Potter books) and they probably don't want to alienate other softer christians by disrespecting their beliefs ... they keep it a little vague, I mean sure the First is very evil, but his name isn't Satan!
 
I am a Christian and have not been alienated by Buffy or any of its storylines. I too have my problems with so-called Christians who read too much into stuff like Buffy and Charmed, etc. They make the rest of us look bad.

As far as the First being unable to defeat - Allycat was correct with the vagueness. So why can they not stay vague and have an ultimate force of good come around to defeat it. They may not be able to bring God into it because of religiosity but angels can certainly show up.

Giles mentioned something about the first evil AND the source - two different things. And those of us who also watch Charmed know that the girls vanquished Cole/the Source last season. Maybe Buffy can call them for help. 🙂!
 
Charmed/BtVS cross-overs, yak, if they have figured it out, Willow should be able do the math aswell. But which of the two should be destroyable ... the Source of Evil or the First Evil ???
 
Originally posted by IamtheBuffyBot
So why can they not stay vague and have an ultimate force of good come around to defeat it. They may not be able to bring God into it because of religiosity but angels can certainly show up.
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That's what I'm sayin'!!! For every evil there is a good. It's the balance of the Mutliverse. If there wasn't a good for every evil, then the balance would be disrupted and the Multiverse would come crashing in on itself, destroyed.

There *has* to be some sort of good out there they can use to vanquish the First. Like "The Hand of God" that destroyed Baal, or the mythological Phoenix bird, a servant to the Celestials or even one of those Celtic Fairies or Rumplestilsken! There has to be *something* that could destroy the First...All ya need to do is open any D&D books...
 
That's what I'm sayin'!!! For every evil there is a good. It's the balance of the Mutliverse. If there wasn't a good for every evil, then the balance would be disrupted and the Multiverse would come crashing in on itself, destroyed.
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You are my girl, that is my philosophy on the Buffyverse!

Angels ... I can see that happening, though it would be a little tricky since Angel is also some kind of angel, well technically a champion, but you know what I mean, but Doyle and Whistler were these kind of beings ... the hands of the powers that be!
 
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