Question for Students

Right. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. Cheers.
I certainly don't mean disrespect, especially for what you do. But I am entitled to my opinion as you are, and im not just 'bitching' as you call it
 
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Blondie Bear
Hence why the generalness--most of my students DO bitch.
My students have been driving me nuts lately with comments like "this is too much reading," "I don't like Fantasy," "this is lame" (and in one case, saying that I am lame). They also routinely fall asleep in class, fail quizzes, and whine about how much work I give them.

So. Question for those of you who are college students. Why are you in college? Is it for the social interaction? The education? Do you feel that because you got accepted into a college, the teachers owe you good grades? How do you feel about your General Education (some places call them Core) requirements? Do you think they're a waste of time?

Seriously. I want to know. Because I'm ready to start arbitrarily failing people. I'm that pissed off right now. And I'd like to know if students are like this everywhere and if teaching is really the vocation for me.

(Letting me know what grade/level you are would also help this tremendously.)

Well, Blondie Bear, I am a junior English major. 🙂 You teach English, right? I gues I'm probobly not that qualified to comment on this thread as I LOVE British Lit more than my life....but here goes anyhow.

I'm in college because I want to be. It's that simple. My main objective is just expanding my knowledge in what I love (literature, film, theatre). I don't know what I'm going to do when I graduate and I don't care at this point. I'm sure I'll figure something out. I attend Seattle University, which is a Jesuit Catholic private college, and we have pretty substantial core requirements, including Theology, Ethics, Philosophy, and Math. Everyone has to take all of those no matter what your major is. Our Mission is to "educate the whole person". I've really enjoyed most of them, except for The Bible as Literature, which was to be honest pretty dull (It was due to the Professor, though.) I believe that in order to be a fully educated, intelligent and cultivated person one needs to have a general knowledge of all of the Humanities, so I absolutely support the core requirement thing.

It seems like a lot of students go to college in order to learn the skills to enter a specific field (like engineering or something) and that's great - but they graduate knowing a whole lot about that and not much about anything else, it seems. But at my college, we all come out with the same core knowledge, along with our major of course.

In terms of your complaint of students complaining about the reading - that's interesting to me. Are they in the class because they "have to be" or are most of your students English majors? Personally, I do find it very difficult to keep up with all my reading because of the 10 week quarter system at my school, and because I also have a job and am involved with theater on top of my course load. But I do not blame the professor for assigning too much reading - it's my fault if I'm behind, you know?

In regards to complaining about fantasy - huh? That's bizarre. Seems to me students would be down to read anything non-canonical and "unconventional" in a lit class. The best class I ever took was one called Science Fiction Overdrive. It was absolutely awesome.

I have noticed a general trend with my generation in regard to low ambition and apathy. Maybe that's it. Some people just don't enjoy reading. Who knows. It's their issue though, you know? If they fail it's because they brought it on themselves.

Hope this helps.

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Although, if I was going to go with a graphic novel, I'd probably do Gaiman's Books of Magic because it's more self-contained; choosing WHICH Sandman to do would be difficult.

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Me, too! I love Stardust! A few of my geekier students loved it, as well, but a lot of them found it "boring" and "unrealistic" (I'm ready to smack the next person who uses that word, by the way--of COURSE it's unrealistic; it's FICTION).

I KNOW, right?!

Today in class, while we're discussing the creation of the Monster in Frankenstein, this Freshman kid pips up with, "I just can't read this! For one thing, it would never happen. For another thing, it's totally impossible!" I was like, are you kidding me? My Professor was like, "Just try to deal with the concept, ok?"

HA. It was great.
 
Mumrik
Mumrik
The best class I ever took was one called Science Fiction Overdrive. - I think I would have LOVED that class. So jealous right now.
I believe that in order to be a fully educated, intelligent and cultivated person one needs to have a general knowledge of all of the Humanities, so I absolutely support the core requirement thing.
Totally agree
Today in class, while we're discussing the creation of the Monster in Frankenstein, this Freshman kid pips up with, "I just can't read this! For one thing, it would never happen. For another thing, it's totally impossible!" I was like, are you kidding me? My Professor was like, "Just try to deal with the concept, ok?"

HA. It was great.

Ok, first, he just repeated what he stated before, and second, didn't that kid just say the same thing twice? Redundant much huh? Maybe that's why he needs an English class....

Oh and Frankenstien is awesome.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
lol i know, he did repeat himself.
I believe that in order to be a fully educated, intelligent and cultivated person one needs to have a general knowledge of all of the Humanities, so I absolutely support the core requirement thing.
If lower education fails to educate you in general humanities then thats a problem in itself.

It seems like a lot of students go to college in order to learn the skills to enter a specific field (like engineering or something) and that's great - but they graduate knowing a whole lot about that and not much about anything else, it seems.
My point is not an absence of general studies, but a common sense approach that leaves high school thinking behind. I.e. Specialising.

Anyway, ive made my point, no use drilling it.
 
November
November
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It's hard for me to say my exact ranking in college. I have gone before now but in my current degree program I am a freshman.

Why are you in college? Is it for the social interaction? The education?
I am in college because in America today in order to get a job above retail or food service you have to have a degree. Actually one of the classes I took recently had a whole huge section dedicated to the fact that you HAVE to be overqualified to get a job in this job market we have right now. I'm also in college I want to be a Girl Giles. Probably minus the tweed. Ideally I want to do archives or run a young adult section of a library. The problem is! I have to get a Bachelor's degree in something, anything, before I can go to get my Masters of Library Science which is required for a good job as a Librarian. Sometimes I see this as a gigantic pain because I have to pay the 40 thousand or so dollars to get the Bachelors degree of information that I won't even need to do my job as a librarian. Other times I don't mind as much because my major is Social Sciences and it's a very interesting field. My last class I wrote a paper about how libraries have often been an integral part of many cultures. I try to make my classes enjoyable when I can.

Do you feel that because you got accepted into a college, the teachers owe you good grades?
I think that's a bunch of hooey! The teacher doesn't owe me anything beyond knowledge on the subject they are teaching. I currently take classes all online because I can't afford to not work full time. My classes are basically, I log in, read what my assignments are, I do them and post them and or attach them to an e-mail for the teacher. It's a very independent sort of schooling but it's very thorough.
This is a bit of a sidenote but it has to do with why I take school very seriously now. When I went to college right out of high school I did ok. I wasn't awesome but neither was I really bad. I ended up failing out due to Gall Bladder Disease. I had surgury and ended up with 20,000 in debt that was useless to me. At the same time my husband went to the art institute for a year and racked up 40,000 and then decided that he didn't want to be a director anymore. So I'm here, 22 years old, going back to school and adding at least another 60,000 to my debt before I can get a decent job. And I'll only get that if I'm lucky.
Now as I've said, going online is very intensive but I've taken 5 classes thus far and gotten A's in all of them. In one I had a perfect grade and in another I only missed one point. It's all about how much the student puts in.

How do you feel about your General Education (some places call them Core) requirements? Do you think they're a waste of time?
I only feel that a core requirement is a waste of my time and money if I already know the information. I've had to take two college writing classes and I know how to write an effective paper already. So that's 2000 for something I already knew. However! I would never take that out on a teacher. They are just doing their job. I would certainly never criticize a teachers choice of reading material. You take from a class as much as you want to.
 
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Blondie Bear
Giles-wannabe karma!
If lower education fails to educate you in general humanities then thats a problem in itself.

I absolutely agree. This is a big problem. Man, don't get me started on the general failings of the American public school system.
 
If lower education fails to educate you in general humanities then thats a problem in itself.

I absolutely agree. This is a big problem. Man, don't get me started on the general failings of the American public school system.

Me, either. However, I'm not involved in the high school system, so the best I can do is teach the stuff they were SUPPOSED to learn in high school, but they really don't want to learn it. My ENGL 101 class HATED our punctuation & grammar lessons, but not a single one of them can use either correctly!
 
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