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Each time I rewatch any 'Buffy' or 'Angel' show I notice something I hadn't noticed or paid much attention to before. Some are significant, some aren't. Not every one is worth making an individual thread for, but still worth mentioning.

For instance, in 'War Zone' (Angel: Season 1), when Angel is confronting the vampires who are about to attack Gunn and his friends after his sister has been killed, he introduces himself as "Angelus". I found this odd cause unless he is actually soulless and in the persona of Angelus, he strictly goes by Angel. He even makes it a point to correct people who call him by the wrong name. Even when he's trying to be intimidating to other people, vampires, demons, and whether he's in his vamp face or not, he still goes by Angel. I can't recall a time he ever didn't, except this episode. Don't know if there's any significance behind it. I guess it could be foreshadowing the dark period Angel goes through in the following season. When he's doing evil things without actually being evil.

Another one is in 'Ground State' (Angel: Season 4). In the beginning when Angel, Gunn, and Fred are in Cordelia's apartment packing up her things, Gunn is doing something with her tv and gets an electric shock. Foreshadowing that later in the episode Gwen will give him an electric shock that temporarily kills him. That one is pretty obvious but I actually hadn't noticed it til the last time I watched that episode.

In 'Birthday' (Angel: Season 3) Wesley only has one arm in Cordelia's alternate universe and when she asks him what happened he says, "Ah, Kungai demon a couple of years ago." The only episode that featured a Kungai demon was 'Parting Gifts', which was the first episode Wesley was in. So that means Cordelia being there with Angel somehow prevented Wesley from getting his arm cut off. I haven't seen the episode for a while but from what I remember, I'm not sure that makes much sense.

During the charity event for the teen center in 'Blood Money' (Season 2), when one of the tv stars is collecting a donation from a woman, the woman says, "Serena, I have to know, this thing with making your character gay, is that like all about ratings? Because I don't get it." Which is obviously commenting on how a lot of people felt about making Willow gay on the previous season of 'Buffy'.

I've been rewatching Angel so that's why they're all from there. I know there were more but this was all I could remember. Anyone else have anymore from either show?
 
I guess he used 'Angelus' that one time because he thought the name might be more knowned. It's not necassarily meaningful that he used it. Maybe he decided to try it, but didn't like it.

The other things you caught are good, I haven't noticed them before. The Kungai demon reference was a really good one.
 
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I'm with Skytteflickan88 on the Angelus thing. We have to remember, Angelus was the "most evil vampire ever", and it seems to me that early in Angel knowledge of Angelus now being Angel is not common. Not many vamps know Angel, but they have heard of Angelus, and what he did.
As for as Wes and the Kungai, I don't think it would have been the same one, unless in that 'verse Barney went after Wes instead.
Just my 2 cents.
 
For instance, in 'War Zone' (Angel: Season 1), when Angel is confronting the vampires who are about to attack Gunn and his friends after his sister has been killed, he introduces himself as "Angelus". I found this odd cause unless he is actually soulless and in the persona of Angelus, he strictly goes by Angel. He even makes it a point to correct people who call him by the wrong name. Even when he's trying to be intimidating to other people, vampires, demons, and whether he's in his vamp face or not, he still goes by Angel. I can't recall a time he ever didn't, except this episode. Don't know if there's any significance behind it. I guess it could be foreshadowing the dark period Angel goes through in the following season. When he's doing evil things without actually being evil.


Yeah, I'll agree with the others. He was trying to be intimidating and the name Angelus holds more weight. This isn't the first time Angel does this sort of thing. He threatens Willy with torture, very Angelus. He will play the tough guy if it gets the job done.

Another one is in 'Ground State' (Angel: Season 4). In the beginning when Angel, Gunn, and Fred are in Cordelia's apartment packing up her things, Gunn is doing something with her tv and gets an electric shock. Foreshadowing that later in the episode Gwen will give him an electric shock that temporarily kills him. That one is pretty obvious but I actually hadn't noticed it til the last time I watched that episode.

Admittedly, I did notice this second or third time round. I like little bits like this.

In 'Birthday' (Angel: Season 3) Wesley only has one arm in Cordelia's alternate universe and when she asks him what happened he says, "Ah, Kungai demon a couple of years ago." The only episode that featured a Kungai demon was 'Parting Gifts', which was the first episode Wesley was in. So that means Cordelia being there with Angel somehow prevented Wesley from getting his arm cut off. I haven't seen the episode for a while but from what I remember, I'm not sure that makes much sense.

Yeah I always wondered how exactly. I guess being lonely and getting the visions may have prevented Angel from being a the warrior that he was, giving Wes the necessary support.

During the charity event for the teen center in 'Blood Money' (Season 2), when one of the tv stars is collecting a donation from a woman, the woman says, "Serena, I have to know, this thing with making your character gay, is that like all about ratings? Because I don't get it." Which is obviously commenting on how a lot of people felt about making Willow gay on the previous season of 'Buffy'.

Didn't get this but hah, yeah, great one. Were fans that divided at the time? I can't remember but good spot!!!!!
 
In the last scene of 'Killed By Death' when Buffy is looking at the picture the little boy drew for her, something is just wrong.

http://buffyworld.com/buffy/screencaps/030/index.php?id=1404

I know that they sometimes shoot those close-ups after everything else but there had to have been a girl standing around who could of (literally) lent a hand. Or maybe Buffy's hands are really that manish and I've never noticed.

Also, in 'Why We Fight' Angel Season 5, the scene from the 40's when Angel is sitting there brooding in his room and the military guys come barging in... One of them says, "I represent a relatively new agency, Demon Research Initiative? And we think that you might be the solution to our little problem." That sounds familiar. Maybe that guy is to blame for Season 4 of Buffy. Or maybe not. Did anyone else make that connection?
 
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OH MY GOD. HER HANDS!!!! ahhh, that is not pretty...
Great post!! There are always little things I will catch now that I didn't catch when the show first aired. I love little discoveries like that. 🙂 I agree about the stuff you initially posted, like the Angelus thing, and Gunn being shocked. 🙂 I never really thought about the Serena and gay thing being compared to Willow... Interesting!
 
I have posted this in another thread, but when I watched Bad Eggs I kept thinking about a certain scene which might foreshadow the sad turn Bangel gets. When they kiss and Buffy says "All I see is you.All I want is you." they kiss and then,the camera shows a tombstone with the inscription"In loving memory of". I always wondered why the camera whould choose to show this the moment they were kissing so passionately. In Surprise/Innocence we get to know why...🙁
 
A blink-and-you'll-miss-it reference I really liked:

In "The Price", Angel's looking at a snow globe he bought for Connor, and remarks that he doesn't know why he bought it - it never even snows in southern California. Cordelia says that it did once. She's referring to the snowfall at the end of Amends, of course.
 
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I agree i also notice little things that i had never noticed before, especially with Angel(as i've saw that less times thn buffy)
ha. I love it. 🙂
 
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