Rate the Big Bads

1. Angelus (in BtVS)
2. Darla/Wolfram & Hart
3. The Mayor/Faith

My least favourite
1. Dark Willow
2. The Master
3. The First
 
I'm just rating this by season:

1. The Trio / Dark Willow (Buffy: Season 6)
2. The First / Caleb (Buffy: Season 7)
3. The Beast / Jasmine (Angel: Season 4)
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4. Angelus/Spike/Drusilla (Buffy: Season 2)
5. Wolfram & Hart w/ Lindsay and/or Lilah (Angel: Season 1&2&3)
6. Holtz (Angel: Season 3)
7. The Master (Buffy: Season 1)
8. The Initiative / Adam (Buffy: Season 4)
9. Glory (Buffy: Season 5)
10. The Mayor / Faith (Buffy: Season 3)

2 Things:
1. I don't hate any Big Bads at all. To me they're the best part, next to the group dynamic (of both shows).
2. I really don't get all the love toward the Mayor... Like I said, I love all of them do death, but he's def at the bottom of my list.
2. Does Angel really have any Big Bads in S1&5? Season 2 definitely had W&H as the Big Bad, for sure. Darla and Drusilla definitely played big part, but at the end of the day Darla was really a love-interest, and Dru was only in a couple epys. S3 had Holtz (& W&H technically). S4 had The Beast and Jasmine (and Evil Cordy)....
S1 was literally all stand-alones. Even the major story-changers like City of, Hero, Parting Gifts, and To Shanshu in LA were all stand-alones in their own right.
S5 were pretty much a bunch of stand-alones, Spike-centric, Fredllyria-centric, or Circle of the Black Thorn. There was an overlying evil, in W&H, but it was never really a Big Bad like in S1-3.
 
2. Does Angel really have any Big Bads in S1&5? Season 2 definitely had W&H as the Big Bad, for sure. Darla and Drusilla definitely played big part, but at the end of the day Darla was really a love-interest, and Dru was only in a couple epys. S3 had Holtz (& W&H technically). S4 had The Beast and Jasmine (and Evil Cordy)....
S1 was literally all stand-alones. Even the major story-changers like City of, Hero, Parting Gifts, and To Shanshu in LA were all stand-alones in their own right.
S5 were pretty much a bunch of stand-alones, Spike-centric, Fredllyria-centric, or Circle of the Black Thorn. There was an overlying evil, in W&H, but it was never really a Big Bad like in S1-3.
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Well the Big Bad in S1 was W&H. They just didn't appear much through the season.

As for S5 it's (ewwwww) the Circle of the Black Thorn... as much as it pain me to say it. They were TERRIBLE, LOUSY, RUSHED, VOID OF ANY CHARISM OR PERSONALITY and every term there is out there to describe that poor excuse for villains. Joss dropped the ball on this... we deserved to finally have somekind of show off between Angel team and the Senior Partners, not their buffoons on earth.
 
Zalos said:
Well the Big Bad in S1 was W&H. They just didn't appear much through the season.
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I disagree. W&H wasn't even in most of the episodes...

As for S5 it's (ewwwww) the Circle of the Black Thorn... as much as it pain me to say it. They were TERRIBLE, LOUSY, RUSHED, VOID OF ANY CHARISM OR PERSONALITY and every term there is out there to describe that poor excuse for villains. Joss dropped the ball on this... we deserved to finally have somekind of show off between Angel team and the Senior Partners, not their buffoons on earth.
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This is pretty much what I was thinking too. NFA was still awesome with all the showdowns and, admittedly, I still kinda dig the Black Thorn storyline. However, they are totally not the Big Bad. Sure, the members were spread throughout the season, but the actual Circle didn't show up until the 21st episode (or was it 20th?).
 
The Ferg said:
This is pretty much what I was thinking too. NFA was still awesome with all the showdowns and, admittedly, I still kinda dig the Black Thorn storyline. However, they are totally not the Big Bad. Sure, the members were spread throughout the season, but the actual Circle didn't show up until the 21st episode (or was it 20th?).
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You're right. It certainly wasn't rushed, Joss mapped out Power Play/NFA before they wrote the first episode of Season 5, and the only thing he changed was switching Buffy out for Drogyn (because of SMG).

All the Circle was, were the members. So I could buy them being the Big Bad.
 
hmmm...

Emotional attachment:

1. Angel/Spike/Dru

But for pure awesomeness and creativity:

2. Wolfram & Hart (Vampires vs. Lawyers.... classic)

3. The Beast/Jasmine (Once again, the Ambiguity of Jasmine is incredible. At the end I was left wondering wtf just happened... and The Beast is horrifying)
 
3 is far too few so I'll EXPAND! Also, just using BtVS big bads.

1. Angelus
2. Spike/Drusilla
3. The Mayor
4. Dark Willow
5. Glory
6. Warren
7. The Master
8. Adam
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99. The First Evil
 
1. Dark Willow
2. Glory
3. The mayor

I don't know if they count as a big bad, but I really liked the trio too. Not Warren, who was way to creepy with his intended rape and stuff, but Andrew and Jonathan were so sweet! I have gotten the idea that people don't really care for Andrew, do you agree? I loved him! Thought he was hilarious in season 7, storyteller was such a great ep. And it seems that a lot of people who watch Buffy kind of is like Andrew, and 'cause he was portrayed in such a loveable way and never taunted by the writers for being a nerd I liked that he is in the story even more. Kind of someone to relate too.
 
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Bungle Jerry
Andrew is funny, and well-acted, but like Robin and the Potentials, he shoehorns his way into the season and displaces more important characters - which bugs me. How can S7 have an 'Andrew episode' but no Xander episode?
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Marisa
I completely forgot Dark Willow yep she was defiantly a big bad.
1) Angelus
2) The Mayor
...
3) The Master
4) Glory
5) Adam
...
6) Dark Willow
7) The First Evil
8) The Trio

(Ellipses indicate huge gaps in quality.
 
Drusilla/Spike/Angelous
The Mayor
Wolfram and Heart

I do think Glory was a pretty big bad as well.
 
1. Glory
2. Angelus/Dru/Spike
3. Dark Willow

Wolfram & Hart the worse villians of the Buffy/Angel verse?
 
I'm just doing Buffy Big Bads:

1) Angelus
2) The Mayor
3) Glory
4) The Master
5) The First Evil
...
6) The Trio
7) Dark Willow
 
Well after watching S4 of Angel, I just didn't realise how The Beast whipped AI's arse so I felt I should list my 3 big bads for Angel:
1. The Beast
2. Wolfram & Hart
3. Darla/Dru
 
1. Jasmine/Evil Cordy w/The Beast
2. Glory
3. The First w/Caleb
...
4. The Mayor w/Faith
5. Daniel Holtz w/Connor & Justine
6. Dark Willow (Hate why she became dark but love how she handled it)
7. Darla & Drusilla
8. The Master w/Darla
9. Angelus w/Drusilla & Spike
10. Adam w/The Initiative
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LOATHE The Troika/Trio.... Actually don't hate Andrew or Jonathon but I do loathe Warren's entire existence!
Completely indifferent about The Wolf, The Ram, and The Hart.
 
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